[Advaita-l] Sandhyadhikaranam in the three schools

[V Subrahmanian]

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Regards
subbu

On 18 Mar 2018 14:07, "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:

> In my understanding, Iswara in His role as antaryAmi is the Creator of
> svapna prapancha. The term "jIva" in the context of svapna creation is to
> be understood as antaryAmi only.
>
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> 2018-03-18 13:15 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste
>> >
>> > Good talks.  Jeeva can create bad dreams. Why? Because he has Avidya and
>> > out of Avidya he will create bad situations for himself. We can see in
>> the
>> > world a person knows something is bad but he will keep on doing it even
>> > though it is bad for him.
>> >
>>
>> We have to note that the Advaitin has not claimed that the jiva
>> consciously, with deliberation, creates the dream.  The mantra in the
>> Brhadaranyaka:4.3.10:
>>
>> न तत्र रथा न रथयोगा न पन्थानो भवन्त्यथ रथान्रथयोगान्पथः सृजते न तत्रानन्दा
>> मुदः प्रमुदो भवन्त्यथानन्दान्मुदः प्रमुदः सृजते न तत्र वेशान्ताः
>> पुष्करिण्यः स्रवन्त्यो भवन्त्यथ वेशान्तान्पुष्करिणीः स्रवन्तीः सृजते स हि
>> कर्ता ॥ १० ॥
>>
>> Bhashyam for the above:
>>
>> न तत्र विषयाः स्वप्ने रथादिलक्षणाः ; तथा न रथयोगाः, रथेषु युज्यन्त इति
>> रथयोगाः अश्वादयः तत्र न विद्यन्ते ; न च पन्थानः रथमार्गाः भवन्ति । अथ
>> रथान्
>> रथयोगान् पथश्च सृजते स्वयम् । कथं पुनः सृजते रथादिसाधनानां
>> वृक्षादीनामभावे । उच्यते — ननु उक्तम् ‘अस्य लोकस्य सर्वावतो मात्रामपादाय
>> स्वयं विहत्य स्वयं निर्माय’ इति ; अन्तःकरणवृत्तिः अस्य लोकस्य वासना
>> मात्रा,
>> तामपादाय, रथादिवासनारूपान्तःकरणवृत्तिः *तदुपलब्धिनिमित्तेन कर्मणा
>> चोद्यमाना
>> दृश्यत्वेन व्यवतिष्ठते ; तदुच्यते — स्वयं निर्मायेति *; तदेव आह —
>> रथादीन्सृजत इति ; न तु तत्र करणं वा, करणानुग्राहकाणि वा
>> आदित्यादिज्योतींषि,
>> तदवभास्या वा रथादयो विषयाः विद्यन्ते ; तद्वासनामात्रं तु केवलं
>> तदुपलब्धिकर्मनिमित्तचोदितोद्भूतान्तःकरणवृत्त्याश्रय दृश्यते ।
>>
>> Shankara has clearly stated what is meant by '(the jiva) creating the
>> dream).  The Upanishad itself says:  स हि कर्ता  - he (jiva) is the
>> creator. 'Creation' here is not the kind of planned execution of a thing
>> or
>> event but something that happens at the mental level. Even this is not
>> like
>> a mental reverie, manoratha. It is the manifestation of the vasana maya
>> prapancha for bhoga during svapna.  This is what is meant by 'svayam
>> nirmaya' by the shruti. Further, there is the Kaivalya shruti too which
>> even more explicitly states, without giving room for ambiguity as to
>> whether the 'he' in Br.Up. refers to the jiva or paramatma:
>>
>> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/kaivalya.html?lang=sa
>>
>>
>> 'svamayaya jivah svena kalpita jiva loke....' Thus there is no substance
>> in
>> the objection. The Kaivalya shruti is cited by Ramanuja in the Sribhashya
>> in the very first sutra while denying jiva-para aikya.
>>
>>
>> स्वप्ने स जीवः सुखदुःखभोक्ता *स्वमायया कल्पितजीवलोके ।*
>> सुषुप्तिकाले सकले विलीने तमोऽभिभूतः सुखरूपमेति ॥ १३॥
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> regards
>> subbu
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 11:24 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here is a vakyartha on the above adhikaranam in Tamil:  (all are short
>> > > talks, of some 30 minutes average, crisp)
>> > >
>> > > Advaita: Dr.Maheswaran Nambuthiri:
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5uJUZdEwwE
>> > >
>> > > Dvaita:  Sri ....   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AiuQJH8OU0
>> > >
>> > > Vishishtadvaita:  Sri Ananthapadmanabhachariar:
>> > >
>> > >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEdaF8pcgoo
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > One objection from the Vishishtadvaita against advaita is: If you say
>> it
>> > is
>> > > the jiva that creates the dream objects/events, we do have unpleasant
>> > > dreams too. Will someone create that which is not good for himself?
>> So,
>> > we
>> > > have to admit that it is paramatma that creates, and it is for
>> blessing
>> > the
>> > > jiva.
>> > >
>> > > Any counters to this?
>> > >
>> > > regards
>> > > subbu
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>> >
>> > -Venkatesh
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