[Advaita-l] Sandhyadhikaranam in the three schools

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

Another point is if they say Ishwara creates dreams we can say Ishwara also
is Jeeva's imagination. He can imagine Ishwara is Sarvajna and creating
everything. It is all happening because of  Jeeva's Avidya. Bhamati will
agree with this.

2018-03-18 19:00 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:

> As my reply did not get posted/delivered, here is a link where it can be
> read:
>
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>
> Regards
> subbu
>
> On 18 Mar 2018 14:07, "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In my understanding, Iswara in His role as antaryAmi is the Creator of
> > svapna prapancha. The term "jIva" in the context of svapna creation is to
> > be understood as antaryAmi only.
> >
> > Regards
> >
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> > 2018-03-18 13:15 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Namaste
> >> >
> >> > Good talks.  Jeeva can create bad dreams. Why? Because he has Avidya
> and
> >> > out of Avidya he will create bad situations for himself. We can see in
> >> the
> >> > world a person knows something is bad but he will keep on doing it
> even
> >> > though it is bad for him.
> >> >
> >>
> >> We have to note that the Advaitin has not claimed that the jiva
> >> consciously, with deliberation, creates the dream.  The mantra in the
> >> Brhadaranyaka:4.3.10:
> >>
> >> न तत्र रथा न रथयोगा न पन्थानो भवन्त्यथ रथान्रथयोगान्पथः सृजते न
> तत्रानन्दा
> >> मुदः प्रमुदो भवन्त्यथानन्दान्मुदः प्रमुदः सृजते न तत्र वेशान्ताः
> >> पुष्करिण्यः स्रवन्त्यो भवन्त्यथ वेशान्तान्पुष्करिणीः स्रवन्तीः सृजते स
> हि
> >> कर्ता ॥ १० ॥
> >>
> >> Bhashyam for the above:
> >>
> >> न तत्र विषयाः स्वप्ने रथादिलक्षणाः ; तथा न रथयोगाः, रथेषु युज्यन्त इति
> >> रथयोगाः अश्वादयः तत्र न विद्यन्ते ; न च पन्थानः रथमार्गाः भवन्ति । अथ
> >> रथान्
> >> रथयोगान् पथश्च सृजते स्वयम् । कथं पुनः सृजते रथादिसाधनानां
> >> वृक्षादीनामभावे । उच्यते — ननु उक्तम् ‘अस्य लोकस्य सर्वावतो मात्रामपादाय
> >> स्वयं विहत्य स्वयं निर्माय’ इति ; अन्तःकरणवृत्तिः अस्य लोकस्य वासना
> >> मात्रा,
> >> तामपादाय, रथादिवासनारूपान्तःकरणवृत्तिः *तदुपलब्धिनिमित्तेन कर्मणा
> >> चोद्यमाना
> >> दृश्यत्वेन व्यवतिष्ठते ; तदुच्यते — स्वयं निर्मायेति *; तदेव आह —
> >> रथादीन्सृजत इति ; न तु तत्र करणं वा, करणानुग्राहकाणि वा
> >> आदित्यादिज्योतींषि,
> >> तदवभास्या वा रथादयो विषयाः विद्यन्ते ; तद्वासनामात्रं तु केवलं
> >> तदुपलब्धिकर्मनिमित्तचोदितोद्भूतान्तःकरणवृत्त्याश्रय दृश्यते ।
> >>
> >> Shankara has clearly stated what is meant by '(the jiva) creating the
> >> dream).  The Upanishad itself says:  स हि कर्ता  - he (jiva) is the
> >> creator. 'Creation' here is not the kind of planned execution of a thing
> >> or
> >> event but something that happens at the mental level. Even this is not
> >> like
> >> a mental reverie, manoratha. It is the manifestation of the vasana maya
> >> prapancha for bhoga during svapna.  This is what is meant by 'svayam
> >> nirmaya' by the shruti. Further, there is the Kaivalya shruti too which
> >> even more explicitly states, without giving room for ambiguity as to
> >> whether the 'he' in Br.Up. refers to the jiva or paramatma:
> >>
> >> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/kaivalya.html?lang=sa
> >>
> >>
> >> 'svamayaya jivah svena kalpita jiva loke....' Thus there is no substance
> >> in
> >> the objection. The Kaivalya shruti is cited by Ramanuja in the
> Sribhashya
> >> in the very first sutra while denying jiva-para aikya.
> >>
> >>
> >> स्वप्ने स जीवः सुखदुःखभोक्ता *स्वमायया कल्पितजीवलोके ।*
> >> सुषुप्तिकाले सकले विलीने तमोऽभिभूतः सुखरूपमेति ॥ १३॥
> >>
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >> regards
> >> subbu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 11:24 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> >> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Here is a vakyartha on the above adhikaranam in Tamil:  (all are
> short
> >> > > talks, of some 30 minutes average, crisp)
> >> > >
> >> > > Advaita: Dr.Maheswaran Nambuthiri:
> >> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5uJUZdEwwE
> >> > >
> >> > > Dvaita:  Sri ....   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AiuQJH8OU0
> >> > >
> >> > > Vishishtadvaita:  Sri Ananthapadmanabhachariar:
> >> > >
> >> > >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEdaF8pcgoo
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > One objection from the Vishishtadvaita against advaita is: If you
> say
> >> it
> >> > is
> >> > > the jiva that creates the dream objects/events, we do have
> unpleasant
> >> > > dreams too. Will someone create that which is not good for himself?
> >> So,
> >> > we
> >> > > have to admit that it is paramatma that creates, and it is for
> >> blessing
> >> > the
> >> > > jiva.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any counters to this?
> >> > >
> >> > > regards
> >> > > subbu
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> >> >
> >> > -Venkatesh
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