[Advaita-l] Sandhyadhikaranam in the three schools

[H S Chandramouli]

In my understanding, Iswara in His role as antaryAmi is the Creator of
svapna prapancha. The term "jIva" in the context of svapna creation is to
be understood as antaryAmi only.

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2018-03-18 13:15 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:

> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > Good talks.  Jeeva can create bad dreams. Why? Because he has Avidya and
> > out of Avidya he will create bad situations for himself. We can see in
> the
> > world a person knows something is bad but he will keep on doing it even
> > though it is bad for him.
> >
>
> We have to note that the Advaitin has not claimed that the jiva
> consciously, with deliberation, creates the dream.  The mantra in the
> Brhadaranyaka:4.3.10:
>
> न तत्र रथा न रथयोगा न पन्थानो भवन्त्यथ रथान्रथयोगान्पथः सृजते न तत्रानन्दा
> मुदः प्रमुदो भवन्त्यथानन्दान्मुदः प्रमुदः सृजते न तत्र वेशान्ताः
> पुष्करिण्यः स्रवन्त्यो भवन्त्यथ वेशान्तान्पुष्करिणीः स्रवन्तीः सृजते स हि
> कर्ता ॥ १० ॥
>
> Bhashyam for the above:
>
> न तत्र विषयाः स्वप्ने रथादिलक्षणाः ; तथा न रथयोगाः, रथेषु युज्यन्त इति
> रथयोगाः अश्वादयः तत्र न विद्यन्ते ; न च पन्थानः रथमार्गाः भवन्ति । अथ रथान्
> रथयोगान् पथश्च सृजते स्वयम् । कथं पुनः सृजते रथादिसाधनानां
> वृक्षादीनामभावे । उच्यते — ननु उक्तम् ‘अस्य लोकस्य सर्वावतो मात्रामपादाय
> स्वयं विहत्य स्वयं निर्माय’ इति ; अन्तःकरणवृत्तिः अस्य लोकस्य वासना मात्रा,
> तामपादाय, रथादिवासनारूपान्तःकरणवृत्तिः *तदुपलब्धिनिमित्तेन कर्मणा चोद्यमाना
> दृश्यत्वेन व्यवतिष्ठते ; तदुच्यते — स्वयं निर्मायेति *; तदेव आह —
> रथादीन्सृजत इति ; न तु तत्र करणं वा, करणानुग्राहकाणि वा आदित्यादिज्योतींषि,
> तदवभास्या वा रथादयो विषयाः विद्यन्ते ; तद्वासनामात्रं तु केवलं
> तदुपलब्धिकर्मनिमित्तचोदितोद्भूतान्तःकरणवृत्त्याश्रय दृश्यते ।
>
> Shankara has clearly stated what is meant by '(the jiva) creating the
> dream).  The Upanishad itself says:  स हि कर्ता  - he (jiva) is the
> creator. 'Creation' here is not the kind of planned execution of a thing or
> event but something that happens at the mental level. Even this is not like
> a mental reverie, manoratha. It is the manifestation of the vasana maya
> prapancha for bhoga during svapna.  This is what is meant by 'svayam
> nirmaya' by the shruti. Further, there is the Kaivalya shruti too which
> even more explicitly states, without giving room for ambiguity as to
> whether the 'he' in Br.Up. refers to the jiva or paramatma:
>
> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/kaivalya.html?lang=sa
>
>
> 'svamayaya jivah svena kalpita jiva loke....' Thus there is no substance in
> the objection. The Kaivalya shruti is cited by Ramanuja in the Sribhashya
> in the very first sutra while denying jiva-para aikya.
>
>
> स्वप्ने स जीवः सुखदुःखभोक्ता *स्वमायया कल्पितजीवलोके ।*
> सुषुप्तिकाले सकले विलीने तमोऽभिभूतः सुखरूपमेति ॥ १३॥
>
>
> .
>
>
> regards
> subbu
>
>
>
> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 11:24 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a vakyartha on the above adhikaranam in Tamil:  (all are short
> > > talks, of some 30 minutes average, crisp)
> > >
> > > Advaita: Dr.Maheswaran Nambuthiri:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5uJUZdEwwE
> > >
> > > Dvaita:  Sri ....   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AiuQJH8OU0
> > >
> > > Vishishtadvaita:  Sri Ananthapadmanabhachariar:
> > >
> > >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEdaF8pcgoo
> > >
> > >
> > > One objection from the Vishishtadvaita against advaita is: If you say
> it
> > is
> > > the jiva that creates the dream objects/events, we do have unpleasant
> > > dreams too. Will someone create that which is not good for himself? So,
> > we
> > > have to admit that it is paramatma that creates, and it is for blessing
> > the
> > > jiva.
> > >
> > > Any counters to this?
> > >
> > > regards
> > > subbu
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> >
> > -Venkatesh
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