[Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata

[Kalyan]

Calm down. Just because you are the moderator you cannot write abusive messages. I have merely presented the facts from Shankara bhAshyas. I have not invented anything on my own. There is no need to get so angry. There is no need to develop a visceral hatred for me. 

    On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:44 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Oh, come off it. You know, sometimes it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to say something and remove all doubt. It's a pity that you've been repeatedly choosing the latter option.
Once again, what is your purpose in being on a list that is dedicated to traditional advaita vedAnta if you have a poor opinion of everyone from Adi Sankara down? Just to exhibit some bravado daring the moderators to throw you out? 
Vidyasankar
On May 24, 2017 7:44 AM, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:

//The criticism of these other schools centers around the fact that none of them are independent means to moksha. The same Sankara also accepts whatever is right and good in these other schools, subject to agreement with the aupanishada teachings.//

Once again, reality is different from the above. In BSB 2.2.32, Shankara summarily dismisses the entire Bauddha school. He further says that either the Buddha is a man who makes incoherent assertions or has hatred for all beings.  This, despite the fact that Shankara himself acknowledges the closeness of his school with that of the Buddhists in his Mandukya karika bhashya! 

    On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:13 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 The criticism of these other schools centers around the fact that none of them are independent means to moksha. The same Sankara also accepts whatever is right and good in these other schools, subject to agreement with the aupanishada teachings.
SrutyanusAra-ananusAra vishaya-vivecanena sanmArge prajnA sangrahaNIyA, and paramatam apratishiddham anumataM bhavati, he says. 
In contrast, bhakti towards a particular form of ISvara is a key step in the jnAnamArga of advaita vedAnta, provided people don't get caught up in the ridiculous my God is better than your God attitude. Unfortunately, this is a trap that many vaishNavas and Saivas find very difficult to avoid. 
Once again, rather than get caught up in superficialities, please pay attention to the details. There is a huge amount of material in our own list archives as a starting point. That is, if one can put resentment aside and read with an open mind.
Vidyasankar
On May 24, 2017 4:49 AM, "Kalyan via Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita- vedanta.org> wrote:

//Here lies the greatness of we advaitins that we never criticise any path and take everyone in our own stride and move on....//

Sri Venkata Sriram, Shankara has criticized mimamsa, nyaya, samkhya, yoga, vaiseshika, bauddha, jaina, pashupata, pancaratra, carvaka philosophers in his commentaries. To say that advaitins do not criticize anybody is far removed from reality.
RegardsKalyan 


    On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:28 PM, Venkata sriram P via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita- vedanta.org> wrote:


 Namaste,

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Appayya Dikshitha probably has not studied the entire Mahabharata.
In Shanti parvan, when Vishnu shows his Vishwaroopa to Narada

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Those who are making furore over the मन्दत्व of अप्पय दीक्षितः, why don't they raise
objections to the remark of वेदान्त देशिकः when he makes a remark against दक्षिणामुर्तिः
vide shloka no. 7 of his हयग्रीव स्तोत्रं : 

दाक्षिण्यरम्या गिरिशस्य मूर्तिः देवी सरोजासन धर्मपत्नी ।
व्यासादयोऽपि व्यपदेश्यवाचः स्फुरन्ति सर्वे तव शक्तिलेशैः ॥ ७॥

"the pretty south-faced Ishwara (dakshinamurti), Devi Saraswati and Bhagavan Badarayana -
all three draw their power of Knowledge from Lord Hayagriva"

Granted that these compositions show one's devotion to personal deity but is it not blasphemous
to say that the Dakshinamurti who taught the essence of vedanta to great brahmanishtaas thru
silence draws His knowledge thru Hayagriva.  The greatness of dakshinamurti is stated in Bhagavata Purana
itself in 4th chapter.  Having seated in 'mahAyOga' rUpa 'vaTavrikSa', demonstrates the 'chinmudra' and dispels
the doubts to sages.

Now, should we advaitins conclude that Vedanta Desika didn't study any shastras and was
ignorant of the dakshinamurti-tattva?  Certainly not.  Here lies the greatness of we advaitins
that we never criticise any path and take everyone in our own stride and move on....

Advaitins are broad-minded and that is why it has become more popular and
more acceptable today by great logicians and philanthropists. 

regs,
sriram


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