[Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata

[Vidyasankar Sundaresan]

That's rich, Kalyan. If you think you are provoking me by repeatedly
bringing up my being a moderator here, you're not. You're merely proving
that you're a curmudgeon.

You have not answered my straightforward question, "what is your purpose
for being on this list?" Others, who are not moderators of this list, have
asked you the same question and you have yet to answer that. You had better
find a way to answer that and decide for yourself whether you want to
contribute productively or if you simply want to shoot and scoot.

Vidyasankar


On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Calm down. Just because you are the moderator you cannot write abusive
> messages. I have merely presented the facts from Shankara bhAshyas. I have
> not invented anything on my own. There is no need to get so angry. There is
> no need to develop a visceral hatred for me.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:44 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
> svidyasankar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, come off it. You know, sometimes it's better to keep quiet and be
> thought a fool than to say something and remove all doubt. It's a pity that
> you've been repeatedly choosing the latter option.
>
> Once again, what is your purpose in being on a list that is dedicated to
> traditional advaita vedAnta if you have a poor opinion of everyone from Adi
> Sankara down? Just to exhibit some bravado daring the moderators to throw
> you out?
>
> Vidyasankar
>
> On May 24, 2017 7:44 AM, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> //The criticism of these other schools centers around the fact that none
> of them are independent means to moksha. The same Sankara also accepts
> whatever is right and good in these other schools, subject to agreement
> with the aupanishada teachings.//
>
>
> Once again, reality is different from the above. In BSB 2.2.32, Shankara
> summarily dismisses the entire Bauddha school. He further says that either
> the Buddha is a man who makes incoherent assertions or has hatred for all
> beings.  This, despite the fact that Shankara himself acknowledges the
> closeness of his school with that of the Buddhists in his Mandukya karika
> bhashya!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:13 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
> svidyasankar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The criticism of these other schools centers around the fact that none of
> them are independent means to moksha. The same Sankara also accepts
> whatever is right and good in these other schools, subject to agreement
> with the aupanishada teachings.
>
> SrutyanusAra-ananusAra vishaya-vivecanena sanmArge prajnA sangrahaNIyA,
> and paramatam apratishiddham anumataM bhavati, he says.
>
> In contrast, bhakti towards a particular form of ISvara is a key step in
> the jnAnamArga of advaita vedAnta, provided people don't get caught up in
> the ridiculous my God is better than your God attitude. Unfortunately, this
> is a trap that many vaishNavas and Saivas find very difficult to avoid.
>
> Once again, rather than get caught up in superficialities, please pay
> attention to the details. There is a huge amount of material in our own
> list archives as a starting point. That is, if one can put resentment aside
> and read with an open mind.
>
> Vidyasankar
>
> On May 24, 2017 4:49 AM, "Kalyan via Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
> vedanta.org <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>> wrote:
>
> //Here lies the greatness of we advaitins that we never criticise any path
> and take everyone in our own stride and move on....//
>
> Sri Venkata Sriram, Shankara has criticized mimamsa, nyaya, samkhya, yoga,
> vaiseshika, bauddha, jaina, pashupata, pancaratra, carvaka philosophers in
> his commentaries. To say that advaitins do not criticize anybody is far
> removed from reality.
> RegardsKalyan
>
>
>     On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:28 PM, Venkata sriram P via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
> vedanta.org <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>> wrote:
>
>
>  Namaste,
>
> ////
>
> Appayya Dikshitha probably has not studied the entire Mahabharata.
> In Shanti parvan, when Vishnu shows his Vishwaroopa to Narada
>
> ///
>
> Those who are making furore over the मन्दत्व of अप्पय दीक्षितः, why don't
> they raise
> objections to the remark of वेदान्त देशिकः when he makes a remark against
> दक्षिणामुर्तिः
> vide shloka no. 7 of his हयग्रीव स्तोत्रं :
>
> दाक्षिण्यरम्या गिरिशस्य मूर्तिः देवी सरोजासन धर्मपत्नी ।
> व्यासादयोऽपि व्यपदेश्यवाचः स्फुरन्ति सर्वे तव शक्तिलेशैः ॥ ७॥
>
> "the pretty south-faced Ishwara (dakshinamurti), Devi Saraswati and
> Bhagavan Badarayana -
> all three draw their power of Knowledge from Lord Hayagriva"
>
> Granted that these compositions show one's devotion to personal deity but
> is it not blasphemous
> to say that the Dakshinamurti who taught the essence of vedanta to great
> brahmanishtaas thru
> silence draws His knowledge thru Hayagriva.  The greatness of
> dakshinamurti is stated in Bhagavata Purana
> itself in 4th chapter.  Having seated in 'mahAyOga' rUpa 'vaTavrikSa',
> demonstrates the 'chinmudra' and dispels
> the doubts to sages.
>
> Now, should we advaitins conclude that Vedanta Desika didn't study any
> shastras and was
> ignorant of the dakshinamurti-tattva?  Certainly not.  Here lies the
> greatness of we advaitins
> that we never criticise any path and take everyone in our own stride and
> move on....
>
> Advaitins are broad-minded and that is why it has become more popular and
> more acceptable today by great logicians and philanthropists.
>
> regs,
> sriram
>
>
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