[Advaita-l] [advaitin] request for PTB support for DSV and EJV

[V Subrahmanian]

Dear Michael ji,

Shankara starts with the experience everyone has: I am so and so, etc. This
will go only if the discourse that is aimed at removing it is first put in
place. That is the adhyāropa.  So, If the I's relation with the not-I is
not demonstrated, there is no way the discourse takes off. The known bound
state has to be taken up to the unknown ever-free state. For this, all the
discourse is essential. Shankara makes it so perfect.

//The challenge is that a bhavarupa avidya isn't subject to falsification
by knowledge - only an error can be falsified - therefore, it doesn't work
as a provisional teaching. That is SSS's reasoning..//

This is the fundamental, monumental misconception on the part of SSS.  No
one ever has said that the bhavarupa avidya is equivalent to Brahman.

warm regards
subbu

On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 4:37 PM Michael Chandra Cohen via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> namaste Subbuji,
> isn't vishayi namarupa? why would there be sunya is namarupa is dispelled
> and nitya-shuddha-buddha-mukta-svarupa re-mains? vishaya/vishayi are
> correlative terms, and if the object (vishaya) is negated, the subject
> (vishayi) must also be negated <AI finished this sentence for me
> unrequested - even AI knows the truth of that last sentence :) >
>
> Chat can be long winded. All is agreed in your Chat response. The challenge
> is that a bhavarupa avidya isn't subject to falsification by knowledge -
> only an error can be falsified - therefore, it doesn't work as a
> provisional teaching. That is SSS's reasoning..
>
> I'd like to propose an experiment: would you copy my last response into
> your chat and request a refutation? Given our discussion about how AI
> responses can be shaped by user framing, I'm curious to see what
> alternative perspective it might offer.
> Regards, michael
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 5:19 AM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Raghav ji.
> >
> >
> >> The merger of prANa (and everything else)  in sushupti is accepted by
> even
> >>  SSSS. (Notwithstanding the fact that it’s sabīja and not  nirbīja as
> per
> >>  mainstream Vedanta.
> >>
> >> If the “merger of prANa” is the distinctive characteristic of DSV, we
> have
> >>  to say SSSS unwittingly accepts DSV !)
> >>
> >
> > I find SSSS ji to self-contradict himself. So, it is no surprise.
> >
> > Regards.
> > Sudhanshu Shekhar.
> >
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