[Advaita-l] [advaitin] BrihadAraNyaka 4.3.19 and Aitareya 1.3.12

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Namaste Sudhanshu jiThank you for enumerating the six (+2) entities which are regarded as anAdi in DSV. Is the list accepted only  in dRShTi-sama -samaya-sRShTiH or also accepted in dRShTireva sRShTiH version of Vedanta siddhanta muktAvali of SrI prakAshatman.
As you quoted -"jIva, Ishwara, shuddha chaitanya, jIva-Ishwara-bheda, avidyA and avidyA-chit-sambandha. जीव ईशो विशुद्धा चित्तथा जीवेशयोर्भिदा ।अविद्या तच्चितोर्योगः षडस्माकमनादयः ॥" (And jIva-cit-bheda and Ishvara-cit-bheda)
What is the role or need for postulating Ishvara (and also derivatively jivEshayor bhedaH) since there is only one jiva? 
OmRaghav



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On Friday, April 4, 2025, 3:11 PM, Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:

Namaste Raghav ji.

At the same time, is there not a distinction in DSV between some of the entities about which we could assert their very experience is their creation as opposed to 'anAdi' entities within DSV?


The six anAdi entities are admitted to be beyond the realm of drishTi-srishTi. Rest entities, of whose srishTi is admitted, there are two approaches: दृष्टि-सम-समया-सृष्टि: (advocated in Advaita Siddhi) and दृष्टि: एव सृष्टिः (Advocated in VSM).
So, for six entities, there is no creation. For others, depending on the approach, they are either accepted to be created at the same time when there is knowledge thereof; or, their very drishTi is their creation.

In dream, I would understand the experience of time (or any other putative 'anAdi' entity) too as arising or created afresh with each experience of that dream.


Time is defined as avidyA-chit-sambandha, which is one of the six anAdi entities. It is not avidyA-kArya, but it is avidyA-prayukta. I am unable to see as to how time is experienced to be arising or created afresh with experience of dream. We find all experiences to be happening within the domain of time. 

If I grant anything we experience in dream (such as time etc) an anAdi status, would that not lead to acceptance of pratyabhijnA leading to compromise of DSV?


So, pratyabhijnA in case of anAdi entities should not be damaging to DSV. Since there is no creation afresh of these entities, and same entity is sustaining, in their case, pratyabhijnA can be admitted.

Is there not the mention of anAdi entities within DSV  as per AS?


Yes. Six entities are accepted to be anAdi in advaita namely jIva, Ishwara, shuddha chaitanya, jIva-Ishwara-bheda, avidyA and avidyA-chit-sambandha. जीव ईशो विशुद्धा चित्तथा जीवेशयोर्भिदा ।अविद्या तच्चितोर्योगः षडस्माकमनादयः ॥






Recently, I came to know through the note by R Krishnamurti Shastri ji that there are eight anAdi entities. Two additional entities are jIva-chit-bheda and Ishwara-chit-bheda. Please see footnote page 269 of SiddhAnta Lesha Sangraha edited by him. षडस्माकमनादय इति । न च ईश्वरचिन्मात्रयोर्भेदः जीवचिन्मात्रयोर्भेदश्च स्वरूपानादिरिति अष्टाविति वक्तव्यम्, न षडिति इति वाच्यम् । भेदराशित्वेन त्रयाणामेकीकरणात् षडित्यस्योपपत्तेः । अत एव 'जीव ईशो विशुद्धा चित् भेदस्तस्याः तयोर्द्वयोः । अविद्यातत्चितोर्योगः षडस्माकमनादयः' इत्यपि पठन्ति । तस्याः शुद्धचितः सकाशात् तयो:- जीवेशयोः भेदः, तर्योर्द्वयोः अन्योन्यश्च भेदः इति तदर्थः ।
Regards.Sudhanshu Shekhar.