[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] What is the glue that binds Brahman and Maya together?

[Bhaskar YR]

praNAms Hare Krishna

Do we have something like this with regard to various ‘nyAyaya’-s talked in PTB??  Like stulArundhati, ardhakukkuti, pradhaanamalla nibarhaNa nyAya etc. ??

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar

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Namaste.

For information. There is a book in kannada by Sri Krishna Jois, a well known scholar, titled *vedantada drishtAntagaLu*,  Illustrations in Vedanta (as covered in the Bhashya). The book can be accessed at the following link

//  https://adbhutam.files.wordpress.com/2022/07/vedantada-drishtantagalu-by-vid-sri-k-krishna-jois-rotated.pdf //.

Regards

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 7:49 PM Ram Chandran <ramvchandran at gmail.com<mailto:ramvchandran at gmail.com>> wrote:
Namaskar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and they are valuable and useful.  I am glad to see more active participation.  This subject is quite important and I hope to see more to participate and share their views.
thanks again,

Ram Chandran
On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 8:20:35 AM UTC-4 hschand... at gmail.com<mailto:hschand... at gmail.com> wrote:
Namaste.
Chaitanya, as associated with mAyA, is of three kinds ; Shuddha Chaitanya, mAyA upahita Chaitanya and mAyA vishishta Chaitanya.
// तावानस्य महिमा ततो ज्यायंश्च पूरुषः । पादोऽस्य सर्वा भूतानि त्रिपादस्यामृतं दिवीति ॥ ६ ॥ //
//  tAvAnasya mahimA tato jyAyaMshcha pUruShaH | pAdo.asya sarvA bhUtAni tripAdasyAmRRitaM divIti || 6 || //
Bhashya explains
//  तस्य अस्य पादः सर्वा सर्वाणि भूतानि तेजोबन्नादीनि सस्थावरजङ्गमानि, त्रिपात् त्रयः पादा अस्य सोऽयं त्रिपात् ; त्रिपादमृतं पुरुषाख्यं समस्तस्य गायत्र्यात्मनो दिवि द्योतनवति स्वात्मन्यवस्थितमित्यर्थ इति ॥ //
//  tasya asya pAdaH sarvA sarvANi bhUtAni tejobannAdIni sasthAvaraja~NgamAni, tripAt trayaH pAdA asya so.ayaM tripAt ; tripAdamRRitaM puruShAkhyaM samastasya gAyatryAtmano divi dyotanavati svAtmanyavasthitamityartha iti || //
Translation (Swami Gambhirananda)  // of this latter all beings are the foot, – all such beings as light, water, food and the rest, both animate and inanimate. –He is the three-footed,-- that which has three feet, is immortal, called Purusha, in its Heaven—resting in the Heaven of what orms the entire GAyatri ; it is called *Heaven* *dyaus*== because it is resplendent. The meaning is that it rests within itself // .
All the three, namely Shuddha Chaitanya, mAyA upahita Chaitanya and mAyA vishishta Chaitanya are addressed as Brahman in the Scriptures and Bhashya. They have to be understood contextually. Shuddha Chaitanya is NirguNa Brahman. When mAyA upahita Chaitanya and mAyA vishishta Chaitanya are elaborated, which of the two -  mAyA or Chaitanya – is intended also needs to be understood contextually.
My understanding of the analogies is as follows.
(NirguNa) Brahman (Shuddha Chaitanya)  and Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) / Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and sAkshi (अंतह्करणावच्छिन्नचैतन्य  aMtahkaraNAvachChinnachaitanya)
Space and space inside the pot bounded by the pot
Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and (individual) jIva through antahkaraNa
Reflection in a mirror or redness in a crystal
AntahkaraNa and Reflection/Redness together as jIva
अयःपिण्ड (ayaHpiNDa) ; Redhot Iron Ball
Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and (multiplicity of)  jIvAs
Reflection of Sun or Moon in water contained in different pots OR redness of a flower appearing in different clear crystals
Brahman (mAyA upahita Chaitanya) and mAyA,  (Brahman as substratum of mAyA)
Rope-Serpent illustration
Brahman (mAyA vishishta Chaitanya) and Jagat
Gold-Ornament or Clay-Pot (Reference is to mAyA part only), Also Ocean and Waves.
Regards

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 8:07 PM Ram Chandran <ramvch... at gmail.com<mailto:ramvch... at gmail.com>> wrote:

Namaskar:

Subbuji thanks for sharing the scriptural references and they are profound and useful.

Advaita Vedanta applies analogies to explain the complexities that come with the understanding the Nirguna and Nirupa Brahman! The additional complexities include making inference on the Truth at the Parmathika level using the Vyavaharika level experience.  We all have different levels of experience at the Vyavaharika level based on our beliefs and incomplete knowledge (with the presence of ignorance!)  The ongoing discussions confirm why we couldn’t agree wholeheartedly.  No one needs to feel that are not able to accept every details provided using the analogies.

I find the analogies to be quite useful at the minimum distinguishing between the concepts that often use in Advaita.  I classify the analogies into three categories:

Brahman the infinity and Jivas the finite concept:

Ocean and Waves

Space and space inside the pot bounded by the pot

Sunlight and its reflections on the mirror of specific shape

Brahman the Substratum

Gold and Golden ring

Clay and Clay Pot

What is Mythia?

Dream State and Waking State (Dream Analogy)

Rope and Snake analogy

Post and ghost analogy

I find it personally very useful for me to understand the concepts of Advaita using the analogies.

Please feel free to add and subtract what I have stated here and you are welcome make appropriate corrections

With my warm regards,

Ram Chandran


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