[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: The five pUrva pakshis of vaitathya prakaraNa

[Ravi Kiran]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Sri Chandramouliji,
>
> The reason the presence of turIya is not highlighted in the email is
> because that is not the focus of what is being discussed - which is whether
> an objective assessment of reality of the world can be made when being a
> part of the world. Despite being present, turIya is not part of the world -
> mANDUkya says he is prapanchopashamam.
>
> We cannot take either the waker's assessment or the dreamer's assessment
> of reality as truth, because each of them associate themselves with the
> instruments of experience, which are very much part of the world that they
> are assessing.
>



Even though prAjnan being sarvesvaraḥ, sarvajna, sarvontaryAmi, sarvasya
yonih, prajnAna ghana...
yet, prAjnan is limited to sushupti avastha, as  there is no experience of
world in sushupti (ekibhutah), neither assessing
of waker's or dreamer's world from prAjnan, though it is considered as the
origin (or doorway leading to) for visva and taijasa (sarvasya yonih,
cetomukha)..



On the other hand the veda has an extraordinary vision of the world, which
> is not vitiated by this particular limitation. Therefore, the veda gives us
> an objective presentation of reality from the standpoint of turIya which we
> should try to understand.
>
> Regards,
>
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:13 AM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Namste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Reg  << In order to objectively describe something, the one describing
> >> that thing
> >> has to be outside it. That is why turIya, who is not associated with
> >> either
> >> the jAgrat, svapna or kAraNa prapanchas and sharIras can objectify them,
> >> and because he is able to do so, they are all mithyA. दृश्यत्वात्
> >> मिथ्यात्वं. >>,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well not exactly. I think you have not broughtout in your writeup  that
> >> Turiya is “ present “  as the unchanging “ observer “ in and through all
> >> the three states of waking,dream and deep sleep states.  Infact in this
> >> अवस्धात्रयप्रक्रिया (avasdhAtrayaprakriyA) he can be known only through
> >> this aspect  एकात्मप्रत्ययसारः (ekAtmapratyayasAraH) of Mandukya.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just thought I would bring it to your notice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >
> >
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