[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: The five pUrva pakshis of vaitathya prakaraNa

[Venkatraghavan S]

Thanks for the link to the very interesting video Subbuji.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>> Namaste Sri Chandramouliji,
>>
>> The reason the presence of turIya is not highlighted in the email is
>> because that is not the focus of what is being discussed - which is
>> whether
>> an objective assessment of reality of the world can be made when being a
>> part of the world. Despite being present, turIya is not part of the world
>> -
>> mANDUkya says he is prapanchopashamam.
>>
>> We cannot take either the waker's assessment or the dreamer's assessment
>> of reality as truth, because each of them associate themselves with the
>> instruments of experience, which are very much part of the world that they
>> are assessing.
>>
>> On the other hand the veda has an extraordinary vision of the world, which
>> is not vitiated by this particular limitation. Therefore, the veda gives
>> us
>> an objective presentation of reality from the standpoint of turIya which
>> we
>> should try to understand.
>>
>
> Very nicely demonstrated in this video talk of Swami Sarvapriyananda at
> IIT Kanpur:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGKFTUuJppU
>
> Listen from 36 minutes exactly in this video where Swamiji gives the
> example of a station master to demonstrate how someone who is outside the
> train alone can make a proper assessment of all the trains that come to and
> go out of the station rather than someone seated inside a train.
>
> regards
> subbu
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:13 AM, H S Chandramouli <
>> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Namste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Reg  << In order to objectively describe something, the one describing
>> >> that thing
>> >> has to be outside it. That is why turIya, who is not associated with
>> >> either
>> >> the jAgrat, svapna or kAraNa prapanchas and sharIras can objectify
>> them,
>> >> and because he is able to do so, they are all mithyA. दृश्यत्वात्
>> >> मिथ्यात्वं. >>,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well not exactly. I think you have not broughtout in your writeup  that
>> >> Turiya is “ present “  as the unchanging “ observer “ in and through
>> all
>> >> the three states of waking,dream and deep sleep states.  Infact in this
>> >> अवस्धात्रयप्रक्रिया (avasdhAtrayaprakriyA) he can be known only through
>> >> this aspect  एकात्मप्रत्ययसारः (ekAtmapratyayasAraH) of Mandukya.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Just thought I would bring it to your notice.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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