[Advaita-l] Topic for Discussion: What is Nirvikalpaka Samaadhi?

Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 10 09:49:50 CST 2016


Namaste Sadaji,

The "entering" is the beginning statement for the consumption of the uninitiated and Lord Himself seems to have preferred that statement. Gradually one gets the lght and realizes that lord is everywhere. "Sarvatra samadarshinAm". There is also the Vedic seer's comment that Devakiputra was so pure that he could see what was in him was in everybody. 

Regards,
Sunil 




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On Wed, 3/9/16, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Topic for Discussion: What is Nirvikalpaka Samaadhi?
 To: "Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
 Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2016, 10:11 PM
 
 
 
 Sunilji - PraNAms 
 
 What you said is true and that does not negate the shravana,
 manana and nidhidhyaasana from the jiiva's reference. Even
 the nirvikalpaka samaadhi  also from jiiva's reference
 only. Hence what you mentioned still applies, along with
 what I wrote from the point of jeeva.
 
 Now - regarding the aunupravesha statement. What does
 entering means? The all-pervading sat chit ananda cannot
 enter anywhere since it Brahman or infinite. Hence
 anupravesha really means formation of Chidaabhaasa at the
 individuals' level by saaskhee. Saakshee is differentiated
 from Brahaman just as  local sunlight that falls on the
 moon vs the global sunlight - even though sunlight is
 undifferentiable. This differentiation is only for the
 purpose of teaching. 
 
 Formation of chidaabhaasa is there as long as the subtle
 body is there. Subtle body will be there as long as one has
 not realized and the BMI drops by videha mukti. 
 
 Hari Om!
 Sada
 
 
 
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 On Thu, 3/10/16, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Topic for Discussion: What is
 Nirvikalpaka Samaadhi?
  To: "Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>,
 "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>,
 "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
  Date: Thursday, March 10, 2016, 12:13 AM
  
  Namaste Sadaji,
  
  Having created whatever is there in the universe  the
  Lord entered into that as Jeeva. Essentially he is the
  consciousness. But as Jeeva he is the rider in the
 Chariot.
  The Jeeva is sentient and the chariot is insentient, but
 as
  long as the Jeeva rides  the chariot the Jeeva thinks
  he is inseparable from the chariot. That is why one can
  think of Jeeva with the Chariot also, but not by those who
  want to split hair. Through shastra and Guru he gets the
  knowledge of  the truth and through Manana and Dhyana
  he imbibes that and becomes Jeevanmukta and finally he
  leaves the Chariot (the Koshas) and becomes Videhamukta
 and
  free. This I think is the entire Advaitic journey in a
  nutshell.  
  
  Regards,
  Sunil
  
  
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  On Wed, 3/9/16, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
  wrote:
  
   Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Topic for Discussion: What
 is
  Nirvikalpaka Samaadhi?
   To: "Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>,
  "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
   Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2016, 7:12 PM
   
   Sunilji - PraNAms
   
   Chitta - word was used in many ways - in Vedanta - it
 is
   used in the sense of subtle body - that includes
 four
   components, mind, intellect, memory and ahankaara. It
 is
   used only to designate the memory part also. Sometime
 mind
   is used to designate all the four. All are thought
 process
   and names change depending on the function. Tatva
 bodha or
   Vivikachudmani describes these - in nirvaana shatakam
 -
  mano
   buddhi ahankaara chittaani naaham...
   
   All thoughts are inert. Hence inert thing cannot be
 a
  jeeva.
   Being a subtle material, the pure sat chit ananda can
 get
   reflected by the subtle body- called chidaabaasa and
 by
  way
   of reflection of consciousness the subtle body also
  becomes
   conscious entity just as moon by reflection of
 sunlight
   becomes a luminous body. Reflection of consciousness
 is
   expression of life itself and jiiva notion arises due
 to
  not
   knowing that I am is the original consciousness.
   
   Chitta vRitti - when we add vRitti - now we are
 referring
  to
   not just memory but to the total mind - as the
 absence of
   vRitti - VRitti as discussed in the article - idam
 vRitti
   and aham vRtti, etc for external perceptions. For
 internal
   perceptions such as happy thought or angry or
 emotional
   thoughts there is no indriya input. 
   
   Hari Om!
   Sada
   
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   On Wed, 3/9/16, Sunil Bhattacharjya via Advaita-l
 <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
   wrote:
   
    Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Topic for Discussion: What
  is
   Nirvikalpaka Samaadhi?
    To: "adviata-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>,
   "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
    Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2016, 7:18 PM
    
    Dear Sadaji,
    
    To my understanding the "Chitta" is "Mind", "Ego"
  and
    "Intellec"t together along with the "Impressions or
   Memory".
    and some puranas have called the Chitta itself as
  the
   Jeeva.
    The aim of "Cittavritti-nirodha" in yoga is to
  control the
    fluctuations in the Chitta and that finally comes to
  the
    thought-control in the mind. When the mind is still
  and
    there are no thought appearing in the mind, that 
  helps
    the Chittaa to disconnect from the Prakrti.or Maya
  and one
    becomes "Jivanmukta". Eventually with the leaving of
  the
    five Koshas, the "Videhamukti" is achieved and there
  is
    one-ness with Brahman. 
    
    Regards,
    Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
    
    
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    On Wed, 3/9/16, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l
  <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
    wrote:
    
     Subject: [Advaita-l] Topic for Discussion: What
 is
    Nirvikalpaka Samaadhi?
     To: "adviata-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
     Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2016, 7:57 AM
     
     PraNAms to all
     
     I posed this question in both lists. There were
 few
   who
     discussed on this topic. I thank all of them who
     participated in the discussion. I am presenting
 below
   my
     understanding for whatever it is worth.
     
    
  
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     I am providing below my understanding. Some of
 these
    aspects
     are discussed exhaustively by Shree Vidyaranya
 swami
   in
     Panchadashi – which we are doing now. We are
 doing
   now
    the
     10th Chapter. Just of info- The talks on the
   Chapters
     covered so far are available on Yu-tube under
   Acharya
     Sadaji.
     
     Is Self-realization involves objectless-awareness
 as
   some
     subscribe.
     
     The objectless awareness is nothing but pure sat
   chit
     ananda. It is always there - with the objects at
 the
   very
     substantive and without the objects as Brahman.
 It
   is
     paaramaarthika satyam. na vaaak gacchati na manaH
 -
   no
     speech can go there nor the mind - says the
   scripture.
    yato
     vaacho nivartante apraapya manasaa saha. For pure
   Brahman
    -
     there is no need of self-realization too, as it
 is
   one
     without a second. Jnaanam and ajnaanam etc., are
 all
   at
     vyaavhaarika level only. Hence self-realization
   cannot be
     object-less awareness, and one cannot reach there
 and
   one
     need not reach there too, since it is ever
 present
   and
     infinite.  
     
     Self-realization is by the mind only - Mind has
 to
    recognize
     or re-cognize that the existence that supports
 the
   mind or
     the consciousness that enlivens the mind is due
 to
   the
    pure
     self that I am; since I say I am
 existent-conscious
   entity
     – I am, in fact, a self-existent and
   self-conscious
     entity. 
     
      Thoughts or vRittis that arise my mind are also
    objects of
     my awareness. As every thought (either due to
   external
     perceptions or internal perceptions) arises in
 the
   mind -
    as
     - this is a pot-, or - this is chair, 
   simultaneously
     or spontaneously subject thought - I am - as
 knower
   arises
     in the mind- Bhagavan Ramana calls this as aham
   vRitti
     centered on the knower, in contrast to idam
 vRitti
    centered
     in objective-thought. 
     
     Aham vRitit is not objective thought but the -
   knower
     thought, as -I know this is a pot - I know this is
 a
    chair,
     etc. Thus we have object-thought of idam vRitti
 as
   in,
    this
     is a pot or this is a chair, etc.; and along with
   this,
     spontaneously a knower thought - I am the knower
 that
   this
     is a pot, etc ., arises. This aham vRitti is not
   objective
     thought, but subject-or knower vRitti, which also
   owns the
     knowledge as in - I am the knower of this
 thought. 
     Shifting the mind from the object thought to the
   subject
     vRitti is object-less awareness. It is not
   elimination of
     the thoughts but shifting the mind to the knowing
    principle
     because of which every objective thought is known.
 I
   am
     neither known or unknown but the very knowing
   principle of
     both known and unknown says kena up. To recognize
   and
    claim
     I am that - without the objective thoughts or
 more
    correctly
     in spite of objective thoughts - requires a very
     discriminative mind or mind with viveka.  While
     remaining within the upaadhi recognizing I am is
 the
   pure
     existence-consciousness that enlivens the upAdhi-
 it
   is
     called upahita chaitanya. To be able to shift my
   mind
     without getting lost in the objective thoughts
 that
   floods
     the mind, meditation on the single thought – as
 in
   japa-
     would help or even the meditation on the thought
 –
   aham
     brahmaasmi – once one has understood the truth
 –
    brahma
     sayam, jagan mithyaa and aham brahma eva na
 aparaH
   though
     Vedanta shravana and manana. 
     
     A similar analogy is looking at the moon (which
 is
    actually
     the presiding deity of the mind) and the
 moonlight
   and
    claim
     that I am actually seeing the sunlight that is
   illumining
     the moon. I cannot really see the sunlight
 directly.
   I
    need
     the moon to RECOGNIZE the presence of sunlight.
 What
   I see
     is only moon-light. I have to use viveka to shift
 my
     attention from the moon light to that because of
 moon
   has
     the light.  There is sunlight outside the moon
 too
   but
     I cannot recognize that since there is no object
 to
    reflect
     that light. Hence I need the reflecting object
 and
   from
    the
     reflection recognize cognitively the original
 light.
     Similarly I cannot see the objectless awareness
 but I
   have
     to recognize I am in the every objective awareness
 -
   Hence
     Kenopanishad says- pratibhoda viditam matam - It
 is
    revealed
     in every thought or experience as the knower or
    experiencer,
     which has to be conscious-existent entity since
    non-existent
     or unconscious entity cannot have any experience.
 
     
     The thought-less mind happens normally in
 deep-sleep
     state.  In the deep-sleep state there is akhanda
     ajnaana vRitti or constant unbroken thought of
   ignorance
    of
     subject-object duality, as the mind is folded.
 Deep
   sleep
     state is not meditation since mind is folded and
   cannot
     abide in the knowledge of aham brahmaasmi. 
     
     Patanjali yoga talks about the chitta vRitti
 nirodha
   –
    or
     shutting of all the thoughts – essentially a
   thoughtless
     mind or empty mind. As Swami Dayanandaji puts it
 –
   an
     ignorant thought full mind has now become
 ignorant
     thoughtless mind. The ignorance remains. When the
   mind
     awakens with thoughts you are back to square one
 and
     Patanjali yoga advocates dvaita only and not
   advaita.
    Hence
     no knowledge of advaita occurs in that
 thoughtless
   mind. 
     
     Nirvikalpaka samaadhi:
     
     Nirvikalpaka samaadhi is described for the one
 who
   has
     studied Vedanta under a sampradaaya teacher and
 the
   mind
    has
     grasped truth – aham brahmaasmi. Hence it is not
 a
     substitute for the knowledge since muula avidya
 or
    ignorance
     of the self can only by knowledge of the self –
   via
     Vedanta pramaana. Even after gaining the
 knowledge,
   if
    such
     a mind is not able to abide in that knowledge of
   aham
     brahmaasmi due to remnant raaga-dweshaas, one can
   meditate
     on the knowledge – aham brahmaasmi as the
 single
   thought
     without any other thoughts in the mind. That is
    nirvikalpaka
     samAdhI with the knowledge of aham brahamsmi
 single
    thought.
     Thus one slowly eliminates the remnant raaga
 dweshas
   and
     such a person even if he comes out of that
   meditation, the
     knowledge remains with him – now even with the
   thoughts
     – since he has understood that He is pure sat
 chit
    ananda
     and presence or absence of thoughts do not affect
   him
    since
     they are mithyaa. 
     
     Hence what is needed is a) clear understanding of
   the
    truth
     – brahma satyam, jagan mithyaa and aham
 brahmaasmi
   –
     that involves a) paroksha jnaanam of the jagat
 and
   Iswara
     and b) aparoksha jnanam via mahaavaakya vichaara.
   –
    There
     are no short cuts here. Nidhidhyaasana is
 required
   for
     madhyama adhikaari who is not able to abide in
 the
    knowledge
     – aham brahmaasmi. For him, constant enquiry is
 the
   best
     approach, so that the mind does not get entangled
   with the
     day to day life in vyavahaara, which he cannot
 but
   do, as
     long as BMI is there. If he cannot enquire or do
   vichaara
     – then one can do meditation on aham brahmaasmi
   with the
     background knowledge via mahaavaakyaas.  
     
     If absence of thoughts is required for
   self-realization,
     then we are giving more reality to the thoughts or
 as
   much
     reality to the thoughts as the self.
 Ontologically
   Self or
     Brahman is of higher order of reality and
 thoughts
   cannot
     replace Brahman or the self for me to remove the
   thoughts
    to
     recognize the self. What is required is detachment
 of
   the
     mind from the thoughts (as they involve ahankaara
   and
     mamakaara due to raaga and dweshas – I-ness and
   my-ness
     due to likes and dislikes) so that mind can shift
   its
     attention to aham vRitti from idam vRitti.  
     
     Some can even experience a thought-less state or
     nirvikalpaka samAdhI. However without Vedanta
   knowledge
    such
     an experience is neither needed nor necessary.
 What
   is
     required is clear understand of the truth –
 Brahma
    satyam,
     jagan mithyaa, aham brahmaasmi – knowledge –
   though
     Vedanta mahaavaakya vichaara, via shravana and
   manana.
     Meditation or even nirvikalpaka samAdhI is not a
   pramaana
    or
     means of knowledge – one can have experience
 but
   such an
     experience is not needed for self-knowledge.
   Meditation or
     continuous enquiry is required for the mind to
 abide
   in
    the
     knowledge gained via shravana and manana – that
 is
     listening to the sampradaaya teacher on Vedanta
 for
     prolonged length of time until the knowledge is
   crytal
    clear
     and doubt-free. Even after gaining the knowledge,
 one
   is
     unable abide in the knowledge for them
   nidhidhyaasana
     including nirvikalpaka samadhi is recommended.
 The
   later
     ones are not alternatives to Vedanta shravana and
   manana. 
     
     Hope this helps. 
     
     I want to thank all those who presented their
 view.
     
     Hari Om!
     Sada
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