[Advaita-l] Why does anything exist at all

[balagopal ramakrishnan]

Namaste,
>>>Because Nothing is created according to Gaudapaada.
'Non creation is in the aspect of the fact that it's gold only before, during and after the ring is not made, made and unmade. But the change in names and forms are being experienced ! Enquiring that is what the shastra does. Certainly it will take a long or short route depending upon the amount of ignorance (muck) one is carrying.
Regards
Balagopal 

     On Monday, 15 December 2014 7:41 PM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
   

 Namaste Sri Venkatesh Murthyji,

Where Gaudapada Acharya says there is no Creation ( birth ), karikas 4-10
to 4-13 , it means there is nothing Created having the same level of
reality as that which Creates.  " Creation " by Brahman is covered in
karikas 2-16 onwards. There is no contradiction. Mandukya Upanishad and the
karikas exemplify one of the two main prakriyas ( tecniques ) employed
leading to the final conclusion as per Advaita Sidhanta. This is Drishti
Srishti prakriya. There are two levels of Reality namely Paramarthika and
Prathibhasika. There is Creation but it is prathibhasika only. The Creator
is Brahman only.

Practically all the other Upanishads perhaps concentrate on the second
prakriya , namely Srishta Drishti prakriya. Three levels of Reality are
admitted - Paramarthika, Vyavaharika and Pratibhasika. A " reasonable "
level of reality is admitted in the Vyavaharika level. This prakriya is
more in line with common experience. It does accept Creation to begin with
and proceeds to lead to the ultimate conclusion in a specified manner. Here
also the Creator is Brahman only.

Both the prakriyas ultimately lead to the same Goal/conclusion which is
that Brahman is the Sole Absolute Reality. There is no dispute about it.
But Drishti Srishti prakriya is considered to be far more difficult to
understand and appreciate than the Srishta Drishti prakriya because the
latter is more in line with commonly understood experience. Hence the
former is considered  appropriate for more advanced sadhakas while the
latter is recommended for the sadhakas in the initial stages of sadhana.

There is therefore no reason to dispute Creation itself per se. It could be
used as a starting point for  understanding  the final conclusion.

Regards

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> Namaste Sri Chandramouli
>
> You are correct but only at a temporary level. If you read Gaudapaada
> Karikas you can see there is no Creation and no Destruction also. Nothing
> is created. Nothing is Born. Nothing dies. Only Brahman is there. It is
> never Born. It never dies. It is not correct to say Brahman is creating
> something.
>
> But if someone says now there is Creation it must be Nothing only. Because
> Nothing is created according to Gaudapaada.
>
> If you say Brahman is Creator it will make Brahman the Author of this
> Illusion. But Brahman cannot create Illusions. The Illusion is Maayaa only.
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > No sir. Advaita Sidhanta is very clear on this. Maaya is jada and
> > cannot/does not  create on its own. Brahman/Consciousness/Atman is
> > responsible for Creation. Since Brahman is presented as Actionless on its
> > own, Maaya is presented as the intermediary which acts with the
> > backing/blessings of Brahman and is considered as the Shakti/Power of
> > Brahman. Its status of existence  is considered Anirvachaniya because it
> > cannot be apprehended directly but its existence  is inferred from the
> > effect ( Creation ).
> >
> > There are a number of Sutras in BS in this regard for which the Bhashya
> is
> > very clear. I presume there is really no need to enumerate them here
> again.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Namaste
> >>
> >> Creation cannot be from Shunya or Nothing. Because if Universe is
> created
> >> from Nothing the Universe also will be Shunya only. This is coming from
> >> Sat
> >> Karya Vada. The Effect and Cause cannot be different.
> >>
> >> The Universe is NOT Shunya but Maayaa only. Maayaa is the Creator.
> Brahman
> >> is not Creator. Brahman cannot Create or Destroy anything. If Brahman
> >> creates Universe the Universe will be Paramartha Satya but it is not the
> >> case.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:20 AM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Namaste. As per advaita sidhanta, Creation is not from Nothing nor
> from
> >> > Maaya either. Creation is from Brahman only, but only an Appearence in
> >> > Brahman. Meaning thereby that it has a lower level of Reality as
> >> compared
> >> > to Brahman itself. Maaya is considered as an intermediary step between
> >> > Brahman and Creation and of the same order of Reality as Creation. For
> >> > purposes of analysis , It is formally considered as the source for
> >> Creation
> >> > ( instead of Brahman ) since it is of the same level of Reality and
> >> lends
> >> > itself to be easily integrated into any analysis of Creation. Loosely
> >> > worded explanation of course.
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:13 AM, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ <
> >> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > शब्दजालं महारण्यं चित्तभ्रमणकारणम्
> >> > >
> >> > > We have to understand what the scientists mean by nothing.
> >> > >
> >> > > There is an "achala paripurNa" school in Andhra which calls reality
> as
> >> > > "batta bayalu" = open space.
> >> > > They also call it as nothing.
> >> > >
> >> > > regards,
> >> > > Sarma.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Swami Sarvabhutananda via
> Advaita-l <
> >> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > How can something come from nothing!
> >> > > > On 14 Dec 2014 22:09, "Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l" <
> >> > > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Namaste,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> >
> http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141106-why-does-anything-exist-at-all
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This article is saying -
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 'Their admittedly controversial answer is that the entire
> >> universe,
> >> > > from
> >> > > > > the fireball of the Big Bang to the star-studded cosmos we now
> >> > inhabit,
> >> > > > > popped into existence from nothing at all. It had to happen,
> they
> >> > say,
> >> > > > > because "nothing" is inherently unstable.'
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > In Advaita we say the Universe is produced by Maayaa. But Maayaa
> >> is
> >> > not
> >> > > > > Nothing. It is Not Sat and Not Asat also. Science is still
> lagging
> >> > > behind
> >> > > > > Advaita because Scientists are saying Universe is arising from
> >> > Nothing.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Regards
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -Venkatesh
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> >> --
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> -Venkatesh
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