[Advaita-l] Samit Pani

[Srirudra]

Dear 
Nice reply.R.Krishnamoorthy.

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> On 28-Oct-2013, at 11:37 am, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Shree Venkatesh - PraNAms
> I give up. Thanks. 
> Sadananda
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 28, 2013 10:05 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Namaste
>> 
>> What is the use of taking dried sticks to Acharya? You can say Brahmachari
>> has to do Samidhadhana so he can take dried sticks with him. But there is a
>> problem in this answer. If he is a householder he has to do Aupasana and
>> other homas. For these he will have to use rice and other things. Why he is
>> carrying only dried sticks but not other things?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Swamisarvabhutananda <
>> swami.sarvabhutananda at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> OM
>>> A sannyAsi does not do HomA.
>>> Therefore samit is not required.
>>> But brahma chari students have to offer samit in fire.
>>> It can be understood that samitpAnihi is either for a Guru who is a
>>> gruhasta like some of the Rishis
>>> or for the students.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On 27-Oct-2013, at 1:01 pm, kuntimaddi sadananda <
>>>> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Venkatesh
>>>> 
>>>> Today at 10:21 AM
>>>> Vekakesh:
>>>> In C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks.
>>>> He should not accept
>>>> it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire
>>> and
>>>> keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> PraNAms
>>>> He cannot use anything since he understood that he is infinite. He does
>>> not teach also since he sees everything as his own self. However he also
>>> understood that all actions are done at the vyaavahaarika level including
>>> the teaching to the students that he sees different from his BMI.  He also
>>> understood that all actions are done by prakRiti only.  prakRityaiva ca
>>> karmaaNi kriyamaanaani sarvashaH.. Hence His BMI can use the fire wood
>>> since it is required for the teaching and should be in good shape also. He
>>> also understand the student also should remain healthy in the shivering
>>> cold outside.
>>>> Advaita is non-duality in spite of apparent duality.
>>>> One has understand clearly what brahma satyam and more importantly what
>>> jagat mithyaa means.
>>>> Anyway I recognize that further discussion does not help.
>>>> Hope you would find an satisfactory answer that you want.
>>>> Hari Om!
>>>> Sadananda
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:54 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <
>>>> vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Namaste
>>>>> 
>>>>> There will be two more conditions also.
>>>>> 
>>>>> E Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Householder Guru.
>>>>> 
>>>>> F Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Namaste
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There will be four conditions .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A Householder disciple with fuel sticks in hand is approaching
>>> householder
>>>>>> Guru.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> B Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching householder Guru.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> C Householder disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sannyasi Guru.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> D Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In these A and B conditions the Householder Guru can use the Samit fuel
>>>>>> sticks for his Yajnas because he is maintaining a Agni for that
>>> purpose. In
>>>>>> C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks. He should not
>>> accept
>>>>>> it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire
>>> and
>>>>>> keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But Upanisads are saying disciples are always approaching Guru with
>>> fuel
>>>>>> sticks in hand. Why? This is the puzzling question. Can we say in
>>> ancient
>>>>>> days all Brahma Jnanis were householders only? Adi Sankara started the
>>>>>> Sanyasi Brahma Jnani sampradaya? But why he started it? Why he was not
>>>>>> happy with householder Jnanis? Why he thinks only Sanyasis can have
>>> Brahma
>>>>>> Jnana?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM, V Subrahmanian <
>>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Venkata sriram P
>>>>>>> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Namaste,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Our dharma says that one should never approach elders (guru &
>>> acharya)
>>>>>>>> empty-handed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear Sriram ji,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the Anandagiri gloss for the bhashya on the said Mundaka mantra
>>> 1.2.12,
>>>>>>> it is said: 'samitpANiH iti vinayopalakShaNam.'  [The expression
>>>>>>> 'samitpANiH' is a representative indication for the humility of the
>>>>>>> aspirant approaching the Guru].  The editor Sri Subrahmanya Sastri in
>>> the
>>>>>>> foot note says:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> // By the word 'brahmaniShTha' the BhashyakAra indicates that he is a
>>>>>>> sannyAsin.  Then, what is the use of going to such a one with samit
>>> which
>>>>>>> is of no use to him? In order to answer this Anandagiri says that it
>>> is an
>>>>>>> upalakShaNa, representative indication, to the aspirant's vinaya,
>>>>>>> humility.  SamitpANitvam on the part of the aspirant will be directly
>>>>>>> appropriate in the case of those householder-brahmaniShTha-s such as
>>>>>>> Janaka, yAjnavalkya and angiras. //
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One another explanation I have heard is: the samit, dried sticks, are
>>>>>>> indicative of the sishya's readiness to subject himself to the
>>> rigours of
>>>>>>> brahmavidyA and receive it successfully just as dried sticks will
>>>>>>> immediately burn when put in fire.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>> subrahmanian.v
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Having submitted the appropriate sambhAvana to the Acharya either in
>>> the
>>>>>>>> form of phala, dhana, vastu etc., one should seek their blessings
>>> which
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> called "AsheevAdaM".  This is maNgaLa-sUchaka.
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>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Venkatesh
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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