[Advaita-l] Samit Pani

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Shree Venkatesh - PraNAms
I give up. Thanks. 
Sadananda



On Monday, October 28, 2013 10:05 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
  
Namaste
>
>What is the use of taking dried sticks to Acharya? You can say Brahmachari
>has to do Samidhadhana so he can take dried sticks with him. But there is a
>problem in this answer. If he is a householder he has to do Aupasana and
>other homas. For these he will have to use rice and other things. Why he is
>carrying only dried sticks but not other things?
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Swamisarvabhutananda <
>swami.sarvabhutananda at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OM
>> A sannyAsi does not do HomA.
>> Therefore samit is not required.
>> But brahma chari students have to offer samit in fire.
>> It can be understood that samitpAnihi is either for a Guru who is a
>> gruhasta like some of the Rishis
>> or for the students.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On 27-Oct-2013, at 1:01 pm, kuntimaddi sadananda <
>> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Venkatesh
>> >
>> > Today at 10:21 AM
>> > Vekakesh:
>> > In C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks.
>> > He should not accept
>> > it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire
>> and
>> > keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>> > PraNAms
>> > He cannot use anything since he understood that he is infinite. He does
>> not teach also since he sees everything as his own self. However he also
>> understood that all actions are done at the vyaavahaarika level including
>> the teaching to the students that he sees different from his BMI.  He also
>> understood that all actions are done by prakRiti only.  prakRityaiva ca
>> karmaaNi kriyamaanaani sarvashaH.. Hence His BMI can use the fire wood
>> since it is required for the teaching and should be in good shape also. He
>> also understand the student also should remain healthy in the shivering
>> cold outside.
>> > Advaita is non-duality in spite of apparent duality.
>> > One has understand clearly what brahma satyam and more importantly what
>> jagat mithyaa means.
>> > Anyway I recognize that further discussion does not help.
>> > Hope you would find an satisfactory answer that you want.
>> > Hari Om!
>> > Sadananda
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:54 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <
>> vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Namaste
>> >>
>> >> There will be two more conditions also.
>> >>
>> >> E Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Householder Guru.
>> >>
>> >> F Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Namaste
>> >>>
>> >>> There will be four conditions .
>> >>>
>> >>> A Householder disciple with fuel sticks in hand is approaching
>> householder
>> >>> Guru.
>> >>>
>> >>> B Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching householder Guru.
>> >>>
>> >>> C Householder disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sannyasi Guru.
>> >>>
>> >>> D Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
>> >>>
>> >>> In these A and B conditions the Householder Guru can use the Samit fuel
>> >>> sticks for his Yajnas because he is maintaining a Agni for that
>> purpose. In
>> >>> C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks. He should not
>> accept
>> >>> it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire
>> and
>> >>> keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
>> >>>
>> >>> But Upanisads are saying disciples are always approaching Guru with
>> fuel
>> >>> sticks in hand. Why? This is the puzzling question. Can we say in
>> ancient
>> >>> days all Brahma Jnanis were householders only? Adi Sankara started the
>> >>> Sanyasi Brahma Jnani sampradaya? But why he started it? Why he was not
>> >>> happy with householder Jnanis? Why he thinks only Sanyasis can have
>> Brahma
>> >>> Jnana?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM, V Subrahmanian <
>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Venkata sriram P
>> >>>> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Namaste,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Our dharma says that one should never approach elders (guru &
>> acharya)
>> >>>>> empty-handed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear Sriram ji,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the Anandagiri gloss for the bhashya on the said Mundaka mantra
>> 1.2.12,
>> >>>> it is said: 'samitpANiH iti vinayopalakShaNam.'  [The expression
>> >>>> 'samitpANiH' is a representative indication for the humility of the
>> >>>> aspirant approaching the Guru].  The editor Sri Subrahmanya Sastri in
>> the
>> >>>> foot note says:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> // By the word 'brahmaniShTha' the BhashyakAra indicates that he is a
>> >>>> sannyAsin.  Then, what is the use of going to such a one with samit
>> which
>> >>>> is of no use to him? In order to answer this Anandagiri says that it
>> is an
>> >>>> upalakShaNa, representative indication, to the aspirant's vinaya,
>> >>>> humility.  SamitpANitvam on the part of the aspirant will be directly
>> >>>> appropriate in the case of those householder-brahmaniShTha-s such as
>> >>>> Janaka, yAjnavalkya and angiras. //
>> >>>>
>> >>>> One another explanation I have heard is: the samit, dried sticks, are
>> >>>> indicative of the sishya's readiness to subject himself to the
>> rigours of
>> >>>> brahmavidyA and receive it successfully just as dried sticks will
>> >>>> immediately burn when put in fire.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> regards
>> >>>> subrahmanian.v
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Having submitted the appropriate sambhAvana to the Acharya either in
>> the
>> >>>>> form of phala, dhana, vastu etc., one should seek their blessings
>> which
>> >>>> is
>> >>>>> called "AsheevAdaM".  This is maNgaLa-sUchaka.
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>> >>>
>> >>> -Venkatesh
>> >>
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