[Advaita-l] 'Ishwaro'ham' and 'IshwarabhAvaH'

[Rajaram Venkataramani]

Couple of professors and at least one traditional scholar acknowledge my
understanding of advaita or more predisely the philosophy of bhakti in
advaita is correct. Even if no one thought I'm right, what is important is
whether I'm basing my statements on facts.  As I said below, no one is
liberated in eka jiva vada yet. Our interaction is proof thereof. A
jivabhasa in our dream may get liberated but is not really so until the
mukhyajiva does.

Sri Sunil, you mentioned that Krishna being a devotee of Krishna is weird.
It is not at all so and in fact that is the advaita position. nara nArayanO
hari: says bhagavatham. The devotee and the Lord are both incarnations of
Hari. If you read the concluding chapter of this text on bhakti and
advaita, you will see that it is Hari who is Devaki, Hari who is Gopis,
Hari who is Narada etc. You may want to read BhAvArthadIpikA to get this
clear. If you read Bhakti Rasayanam, which is an essential reading for any
advaitin to talk about bhakti, you will understand non-duality is not only
compatible with but indispensable for bhakti rasa.

Sri Anil, if pramanas are shown should an advaitin accept or not? Or be
dogmatic and ignore contrary views. I found that genuine traditional and
modern scholars alike discuss and refresh their thinking.

On Saturday, August 31, 2013, Anil Aggarwal wrote:

> I agree
> ANIL AGGARWAL
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
> sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Namaste Sadaji,
> >
> > I have one curiosity as to why we do not leave Rajaramji alone. I am
> sure had Adi Sankaracharya  been alive today he would have surely told us
> to leave him alone as he will never be able to understand the Advaita
> standpoint. It also does not matter to us if he thinks we do not understand
> his view point and if he thinks the principle of Advaita is wrong. We can
> probably tell him that "let us agree to disagree". If you think otherwise
> you may kindly tell me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sunil KB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rajaram Venkataramani <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
> > To: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>; A discussion group
> for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 2:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] 'Ishwaro'ham' and 'IshwarabhAvaH'
> >
> >
> > Do you accept eka jiva vada? According to that,no one is really
> liberated.
> > So, if you say there is no bhakti in mukti, I will say there is no mukti,
> > so only bhakti.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:50 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> > kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> PraNAms - just to add to Subbuji's list
> >>
> >> 5. Krishna says - such a jnaani is the highest bhakta.
> >>
> >> Hari Om!
> >> Sadananda
> >>
> >> From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> >>> Suffice it to say, nay, remind, that:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   1. In Advaita bhakti towards the saguNa Ishwara is not impossible
> >>>   2. A niguNa brahma jnani can have such bhakti
> >>>   3. The expression of such bhakti is possible ONLY till the end of
> >>>   jivanmukti for such a jnani who has devotion to a saguNa mUrti
> >>>   4. In (videha) mukti there is no bhakti.
> >>
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