[Advaita-l] Physical death of the Jnani and related issues

[Anbu sivam2]

"For that matter, how does anyone know that someone is a jnAnI? I can speak
for myself and accept that I am an ajnAnI, because I identify myself with
all
sorts of things in my life. How do I know that Ramana Maharishi or somebody
else is a jnAnI? Ultimately, according to your line of reasoning, even the
label
"jnAnI" can be nothing more than a fanciful attribution by an affirmed
ajnAnI
on to someone else, is it not?!!"

OR that we realize that the logic of the mind is at an end and all
generalization fail us and come to the conclusion that we do need the help
of Bhagavaan.  Only surrender would be the solution.  Then how Bhagavaan
helps us would not be subject to generalization or put to logic.
AachaaryaaL had advocated the surrender of the mind at the lotus feet of
bhagavaan.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> > Sir, you miss the point. It is a question of identity. Is the Gnaani who
> > has attained liberation still attached the BMI complex is the question.
> > Your above view is quite arbitrary. What we as ignorant persons see in a
> > Gnaani is not real for we look with the ignorance that drives us and
> > attribute our fancy it to the liberated one.
>
>
> It becomes very difficult to discuss anything if we are not going to read
> what
> we are responding to. I already mentioned in my post - nobody among
> advaitins
> says that the jnAnI IDENTIFIES with the mind and body and their
> functioning.
> Still, the jnAnI lives and operates in the world, as long as life persists,
> with the
> instrumentality of the body and the mind. There is absolutely nothing wrong
> with saying this and it does not compromise brahmavid brahmaiva bhavati in
> any
> way whatsoever. That is what jIvanmukti is, after all - living in a body
> and
> continuing to operate in it after the burning up of ajnAna.
>
>
>
> If everything that a jnAnI says or does is nothing more than a false
> attribution
> by ajnAnI-s like us, let us see where the logical conclusion of this
> argument
> goes. It seems that according to you and some others, all the teaching by
> any
> jnAnI (which is part of the things that he or she says or does) in history
> is
> nothing more than the fanciful imagination of the ajnAnI-s around him or
> her.
> This would be as true for Sankara himself as for anybody else. So this
> means
> that all the bhAshyas and other texts in our tradition are nothing more
> than false
> attributions of a long lineage of ajnAnI-s to someone whom these ajnAnI-s
> consider to be a jnAnI. I hope it is unnecessary for me to point out the
> ultimate
> absurdity of such a position.
>
>
>
> For that matter, how does anyone know that someone is a jnAnI? I can speak
> for myself and accept that I am an ajnAnI, because I identify myself with
> all
> sorts of things in my life. How do I know that Ramana Maharishi or somebody
> else is a jnAnI? Ultimately, according to your line of reasoning, even the
> label
> "jnAnI" can be nothing more than a fanciful attribution by an affirmed
> ajnAnI
> on to someone else, is it not?!!
>
>
>
> Anyway, we have had many discussions on this list on these lines in the
> past,
> and we will continue to do so in future, so I will stop with this. As a
> frequently
> contributing member of the list who also happens to be one of its
> moderators,
> I will only request that responses to posts should be done after careful
> reading
> and thought.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Vidyasankar
>
>
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