[Advaita-l] A perspective -20

[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Sadanandaji,

Hari OM!

Even in vyavahaarika sattha *we all know who we are* without the medium of
the mind.

In the vexed example the intellect never found the tenth man.  Is it not the
fact?

I am saying this to show that the role of the intellect is over-blown.  It
doesn't deserve all these credits.

Even though we know who we are, thanks to the intellect we slip into
believing that we are the incomplete jeeva who is born and dead.  It is only
when the Guru comes to you and tells those magic words "Thath Thwam Asi"
that you realize that you are complete and full and you are none other than
the Parabrahmam.  At that moment all other arguments that had justified this
Mahavaakya is lost by the wayside. Intellect has no way of bringing about
this realization.  The realization is for you, by you and of you.  And when
it happens the intellect and all other units of the prakrithi vanishes like
the mist before the sun.  In one way the realization is the actual killing
of the intellect.

Bhagavan Ramana has given moksha to animate and inanimate objects and there
is no role for the intellect in them at all.  This is the prathyaksha
pramaaNam for many of us.  Even though he became 'famous' because of his
superior arguments that fed the imagination of the intellectuals in his
exposition of 'who am I' he always told the seekers to give up the
intellect. As you know the intellect is part of the ahamkara that one has to
lose in order to gain Self-Realization.  It, the intellect, is a hindrance
to attaining mOksha.  When an ordinary person who witnessed a great debate
between Bhagavan and the intellectuals later approached Bhagavan and asked
him if he as saamaanyan will have hope because he is not versed in the Vedas
etc.  And to him Bhagavan said such knowledge is no pre-requisite and he is
more than qualified for he has reached the Guru.

You have to remember that the intellect delights in reordering the many into
its own concept of harmony.  Take away the many, the intellect pines and
dies.


Subhamasthu.
Anbu

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Kuntimaddi Sadananda <
ksadananda108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anbuji - PraNAms -
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Paramaarthika sattha is beyond the reach of the human mind and it is
> > unnegateable.  Yet the intellect can infer that this is the only Reality
> > that is FULL."  There are a lot of Vedic pramanas to support this view
> and
> > I
> > am sure you will agree.
> >
> Here is my perspective for clarification.
>
> The statement - Yet the intellect can infer that this is the only reality
> that is full - cought my attention.
> I must say it is not inference by the intellect. It is the direct
> perception
> as in the tenth man. I see directly the light of consciousness as saakshii
> as reflected illumination by the mind or intellect - just as during the day
> time the house is bright by the reflected sunlight all over -I say I see
> the
> the sunlight is all over even the sun is directly not seen- cannot be seen
> too.
> All pervading consciousness cannot be -seen-. Yet using the mind as
> reflecting mediuam I see the light of consciousness that is getting
> reflected in every thought that rises in the mind. I am neither known nor
> unknown but the very knowing principle - says Kena.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > The aim is to lose the ignorance of you being the tenth man.  As the
> story
> > points out the intellect is not the only way to lose that ignorance. In
> all
> > our scriptures they proclaim loudly the importance of the role of this
> > Chaithanyam viz. the Guru that removes the ignorance.  Simply,
> > "Aachaaryavaan PurushO Vedha:"
> >
> > In respect of the intellect please do not forget that it belongs to the
> > prakrthi.  The dormant intellect is of thaamasic nature getting swept
> away
> > by the forces of nature.  As Bhagavan Ramana says:  'Dehaathma
> > buddhEgnyajadau samaanau'.
> >
> > So this intellect is sought to be awakened by means of prayer to Savithri
> > by
> > the Gayathri manthra.  The swabhaavam of the active intellect is to
> > discriminate.  The final discrimination would be for it to discriminate
> > between the Real and the unreal like the kindling wood that releases the
> > fire but as you would know that this kidling wood has also to be
> consigned
> > into that fire!
> >
> > Yet in all these processes you would notice that the intellect as the
> inert
> > entity has no way of doing anything on its own!!
> >
> > Actually the entire mithya of jagath has been perfected and upheld by
> this
> > intellect.  Can you deny it?  The intellect is much rather a generator of
> > falsehood and that is its swaroopa lakshanam.  One should stop fooling
> > around with that.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Anbu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Kuntimaddi Sadananda <
> > ksadananda108 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Shree Ambuji - PraNams
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Perhaps my earlier posting on Sivaanandhalahari dealing with this
> > subject
> > > > in
> > > > three parts may be of help.
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps.
> > >
> > >
> > > > .  Advaitha teaches us that giving up the intellect enables one
> > > > to become one with this Reality.
> > > >
> > > I think it has already been pointed that what is to be given up is not
> > > intellect but misconceptions of the intellect. With intellect only one
> > has
> > > to realize. Without the intellect - one is as good as animal - budhyaa
> > > vihiinaaH pashubhi samaanaaH - says niiti vaakyam.
> > > With mind alone one need to realize. without the mind reflecting the
> > > illuminating consciousness, one cannot recognize the all pervading
> light
> > of
> > > consciousness. With mirro alone one can see the face - one should not
> > > misunderstand that image is the real. Similalry with the reflecting
> > > consciousness in the intellect, one has to use viveka to shift
> attention
> > to
> > > the original using that very reflection. That is what nitya anitya
> vastu
> > > viveka involves. Giving up the image as not the original is sanyaasa.
> > > Shifting attention to the orginal using the image reflection is yoga.
> > >
> > > The mithyaa aspect discussed was from adviata siddhi - definitions of
> > > falsity.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps
> > >
> > > Hari Om!
> > > Sadananda
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