[Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

[Michael Shepherd]

I doubt if that's so. All that goes on in the mind passes through buddhi and
even a realized man needs it in his dealings with others ? e.g. when taking
questions ?
Also 'does it 'go' or simplpy become quiescent when not required ? Patanjali
doesn't really go into this.

Michael

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sivam2
Sent: 29 September 2009 17:45
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4



Michaelji,

Buddhi is alright and is actually needed for a man of active mind to know
the real from the unreal.  Once such knowledge is attained it has to go and
in most cases it does.

*As long as Buddhi is there the mind is also there and the mind keeps
denying the Real!*

Once one knows the Real he realizes that everything happens as destined.
"Karthur aagnyayaa praapyathE phalam".  At that time he realizes that the
role of buddhi is useless and even a hinderance.  So the knower surrenders
buddhi to the kartha.

Actually a person of faith does surrender the buddhi even before the
realization in the technical sense, in great abandon.  He is no loser
either.

That is because he (like everyone else) is none other than Brahman all the
time!


On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Because, Anbuji, it is the discriminating mirror of consciousness itself,
> and only needs to be wiped clean.. I was only clearing it of any
suggestion
> that it could harbour its own ill intentions...:)
>
> I find my buddhi very useful, especially on this website... ;)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> sivam2
> Sent: 29 September 2009 15:28
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
>
>
>
> Michaelji,
>
> Why would you want a cleaned and washed buddhi?  What use is it to you?
> What would you be without a buddhi (cleaned and washed OR otherwise)?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Anbuji
> >
> > Sounds fine by me !
> >
> > Except I'm not too happy about blaming some sort of bad buddhi for this
> > dehatma bhava. Rather, surely,  that divine and perfect instrument,
> buddhi,
> > has to be cleansed and washed of what ahamkara has loaded on it !
> >
> > However, this is all in the realms of maya and mithya in terms of this
> > English dictionary  loaded with 'I am the doer..' ! :)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> > sivam2
> > Sent: 29 September 2009 13:18
> > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
> >
> >
> >
> >  Michaelji,
> >
> > Sunilji is right in pointing out that karma is sine qua non of
> embodiment.
> > But is 'dehaathma buddhi'  a pre-requisite of embodiment?  Our sages
have
> > answered it with a resounding 'NO'.  You can be embodied but need not
> > identify yourself with it.  Such disengement with the body takes place
> > irrespective of the aashrama you are in.
> >
> > In his discourse with Ganapathi Muni Bhagavan Ramana said "dehaathma
> buddhE
> > gnyajadow samaanow".  That automaton (the buddhi that takes the body to
> be
> > aathma) has to be broken by that very buddhi by the process of enquiry!
> It
> > is the buddhi that identifies oneself with body, mind, intellect and so
> on.
> > This buddhi is the culprit whom we have to lose.  This log of wood is
> > pregnant with the fire that destroys it!
> >
> > My humble interlude with Shyamji was to bring to his attention that
> > self-inquiry is not to be deferred to any particular ashrama.  Changes
in
> > ashrama takes its own course and should be held as part of the
praarabhda
> > karma but the self-inquiry starts right from the birth.  It starts with
> > 'dehaathma buddhi'.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> > michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > May I add something from experience in the ashrama ?
> > >
> > > Those who have been well and spiritually educated up to age 16 are
well
> > set
> > > for life, could not be better set.
> > >
> > > But for most, householder and bread-winner coincide in the next
> ashrama.
> > > So we are going to spend that time in an environment which is calling
> for
> > > 'I am the doer..'
> > > But how valuable to attempt to have upasana of the mahavakya in one's
> > > working life, let alone at home ! One person alone in a factory,
> go-down,
> > or
> > > office who hold the mahavakya within, can lighten the tone of the
whole
> > > workplace and lift that burden of 'I am the doer' a little or a lot..
> > >
> > > And then vanaprastha becomes, can become, a life of bliss. As someone
> > here
> > > said to me, 'It's a time for attending to those aspects of samashthi
> > which
> > > have not previously been fully attended to'..
> > >
> > > One may never attain or choose sannyasa. But I'm sure that there are a
> > > number on this site who would acknowledge that -- especially these
days
> > of
> > > easier communication which don't involve a weary body, and longer
lives
> > of
> > > retirement...vanaprastha is going to become the glory of spiritual
life
> > in
> > > the 21st century..
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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