[Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"

[Dr D Bharadwaj]

Dear Sri Anbu,

Your musings again!
You has asked me too to read them.
I could not find where you had posted, 'earlier in the thread' and I gave
up. I am intrigued now..where are they?
Can you give the link?


SrIramaNArpaNamastu


Dr. D. Bharadwaj
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sarvE bhavanthu sukhinah
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sarvE bhadrANi pasyanthu
maa kaschit duhkhabhAg bhavEt.


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess you did not read my musings on the fundamentals after all!
>
> The way we understand the faculty of intellect is its ability to discern
> the
> real from the unreal.  I believe the sages of the upanishad have kept that
> in mind.
>
> A sudhra, if he ever became a king, like Karunanidhi of Tamilnadu did,
> wouldn't be approaching a sage.  He wouldn't have the 'intellect' that I
> have described.
>
> I have no idea of your definition of 'intelligence'.  However sorrow
> belongs
> to the mind.  The role of intellect in respect of sorrow was given by Sri
> Krishna in Bhagavat Geetha when he said "sukhadhukkE samE krithvaa..."
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > neat idea, Anbu -- but elitist and demeaning ? Perhaps the king was a
> Sudra
> > who used his intelligence to become king ? Any substantiation for this in
> > the story ? Is sorrow unintelligent ?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> > sivam2
> > Sent: 31 August 2009 11:48
> > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"
> >
> >
> >
> > The word Sudhra was used to denote that the king did not use his
> intellect.
> > In fact all those irrespective of their varna who do not use their
> > intellect
> > eventually become Sudharas.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> > michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Professor Sharma in his book on Sudra pp 42-43 goes into the matter of
> > Cha.
> > > Up. 4.2.3. and Shankara's bhasya and Badarayana's derivation, and
> whether
> > > Janasruti was in fact a king of the Sudra tribe -- already in
> subjection
> > by
> > > that time.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of
> > > srikanta
> > > Sent: 31 August 2009 10:15
> > > To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > > Subject: [Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > With reference to the reply on the above,I would like Sri.satish to go
> > > through the discussion in Chandogya Upanishad on Janusruthi and raikva
> > > dialogue.We are talking about Brahmajnana,and not common place issues.
> > >                                                        N.Srikanta.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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