[Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"

[Anbu sivam2]

I guess you did not read my musings on the fundamentals after all!

The way we understand the faculty of intellect is its ability to discern the
real from the unreal.  I believe the sages of the upanishad have kept that
in mind.

A sudhra, if he ever became a king, like Karunanidhi of Tamilnadu did,
wouldn't be approaching a sage.  He wouldn't have the 'intellect' that I
have described.

I have no idea of your definition of 'intelligence'.  However sorrow belongs
to the mind.  The role of intellect in respect of sorrow was given by Sri
Krishna in Bhagavat Geetha when he said "sukhadhukkE samE krithvaa..."

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> neat idea, Anbu -- but elitist and demeaning ? Perhaps the king was a Sudra
> who used his intelligence to become king ? Any substantiation for this in
> the story ? Is sorrow unintelligent ?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> sivam2
> Sent: 31 August 2009 11:48
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> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"
>
>
>
> The word Sudhra was used to denote that the king did not use his intellect.
> In fact all those irrespective of their varna who do not use their
> intellect
> eventually become Sudharas.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Professor Sharma in his book on Sudra pp 42-43 goes into the matter of
> Cha.
> > Up. 4.2.3. and Shankara's bhasya and Badarayana's derivation, and whether
> > Janasruti was in fact a king of the Sudra tribe -- already in subjection
> by
> > that time.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of
> > srikanta
> > Sent: 31 August 2009 10:15
> > To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > Subject: [Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > With reference to the reply on the above,I would like Sri.satish to go
> > through the discussion in Chandogya Upanishad on Janusruthi and raikva
> > dialogue.We are talking about Brahmajnana,and not common place issues.
> >                                                        N.Srikanta.
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