[Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)

D.V.N. Sarma dvnsarma at gmail.com
Sat Oct 17 19:17:25 CDT 2009
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Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa might have lived the life of sanyasi but
he never took sanyasa asrama.

regards,
Sarma.

On 10/17/09, D.V.N. Sarma <dvnsarma at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ramana Maharshi once talking with a devotee said
> that he is so free that he can even marry and still
> be free.
>
> regards,
> Sarma.
>
> On 10/17/09, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sunilji
>> I too agree that truth is one and was looked only from different
>> angles.Only
>> the means for achieving the ends differ. We, unfortunately stress too
>> much
>> on means ignoring the end itself.
>>
>> Jiddu always used to talk about the witness there within everyone. He
>> advocated to drop the mind and seek within keeping aside all rituals.
>> Even
>> the thinking of UG Krihnamurthy (natural state) was quite advaitic,
>> though
>> it looks to be bit atheastic on the surface level. I consider these two
>> as
>> classic exapmles of Jnana yogis on the lines of Ashtawakra
>>
>> In that way, I feel, that is the crux of all upanishads and what shri
>> Shankara said too.
>>
>> Hope you too might have come across the books of Swamy Rama Teertha (a
>> great
>> sage who dies at a ver early age of 31)   'In the woods of God
>> realization'
>> which are strongly advaitic with very practical approch.
>>
>> offthe the recent western teachers , I liked the books of Eckhart Tolle
>> (Power of Now/ New Earth) which I feel is nothing but advaitic.
>>
>> Pranams
>> Vishy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 17/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
>> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2009, 11:38 AM
>>
>>
>> Vishyji,
>>
>> The truth is one. We the followers of the interpretive works of the great
>> persons like Adi Sankaracharya and Gaudapadacharya understand it as
>> Advaita.
>> Everything is Brahman. How do you compare the works / thoughts of JK with
>> those of Adi Sankaracharya?
>>
>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>>
>> --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
>> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 10:13 PM
>>
>> Michealji
>>
>> Exactly, the persons I quoted remained detached but were teahing rather
>> sharing their experiences, right! But they were not sanyasins in
>> traditional
>> way.
>>
>> Sanyasi is teh one who has completely dropped " I" (ego) along with all
>> desires and attachements. This can be done bythe person  who has realized
>> the truth. If you look in this way they were
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vishy
>>
>> --- On Thu, 15/10/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
>> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 3:47 PM
>>
>>
>> Vishyji
>>
>> It's my understanding that a sannyasi may either renounce the world as a
>> solitary, or having renounced the world, remain in it to teach the world.
>> Would you agree?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Vishy
>> Sent: 15 October 2009 05:42
>> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
>> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>>
>>
>>
>> Michaelji
>>
>> can you accept UG Krishnamurthy or Jiddu krishnamurthy as Jnani and
>> sanyasi
>> considering their jnana and detached life style ?
>>
>> Pranams
>> Vishy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 15/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
>> (wasRe:
>> Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 5:06 AM
>>
>>
>> Michaelji,
>>
>> Yes, the Jnani is a brahmin in the true sense of the term if you believe
>> in
>> the verse "Brahma janati iti brahman", even though by birth he may not be
>> born in the brahmin's varna  and he has to discharge the duties of the
>> non-brahmin varna he is born in
>>
>> Sunil.
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
>> (wasRe:
>> Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 3:22 PM
>>
>> Sunil ji,
>>
>> Would it not  follow that the jnani would then fulfil the varna of brahmin
>> ?
>> And that, rather than being dependent on birth alone, varna is the duty
>> in
>> the whole society which one fulfils, at anhy one time, irrespective of
>> birth
>> ? That seems far nearer the divine intention than human 'rules'.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Sunil
>> Bhattacharjya
>> Sent: 14 October 2009 22:53
>> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
>> (wasRe: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Vidyasankarji,
>>
>> I think what Bhaskarji says may appear to many to be a question like
>> whrther  the egg came first or the chicken. But it need not be so. I
>> shall
>> give an example, only to convey the idea though one may find fault with
>> the
>> example. If one controls the breath, ie.does pranayama, then  the mind
>> becomes calm and controlled. If one controls the mind by dhyana the
>> breaths
>> get controlled automatically.
>>
>> Simalarly a Jnani does niskama karma as he is a samadrasti and he
>> realises
>> everybody and everything is Brahman and he had overcome his
>> self-interest.
>> Now if one starts doing Niskama karma, say because one's guru advised one
>> to
>> do so or one wanted to follow the Bhagavad Gita without really realizing
>> the
>> merits of it, even then a time will come when he would automatically
>> start
>> doing Niskama karma, call it by force of habit if you like. Eventually he
>> would realise the merit of doing the niskama karma and that he is no
>> different from others and thus the Jnana will dawn on him.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (was
>> Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>> To: "Advaita List" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:27 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> But this jnAna is NOT the sole property of the
>>> residents of saNyAsAshrama...Those who do not have the vedAdhikAra they
>>
>>
>> Bhaskar, I have been following this debate to the best of my ability and
>> time constraints, but can you point out to me one person/post where
>> AtmajnAna is declared to be the sole property of the ASrama called
>> sannyAsa?
>>
>>
>>
>>> too can attain the 'same' result by itihAsa purANa...but fact remains
>>> that
>>> they have to have that Atma jnAna only nothing else and this jnAna does
>>> not come from the purusha tantra 'karma' and this karma has to be
>>> elevated
>>> to the status of karmaphala saNyAsa rUpa karma yOga to get jnAna nishTe.
>>
>>
>> What do you mean by the above? jnAna does not come from karma, but karma
>> yoga involving karmaphala sannyAsa = jnAna nishThA? How?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Karthik prabhuji, thanks for your reference from brahma sUtra...I
>>> shall look at it when I go home today. And be rest assured I am going to
>>> disprove NOT shankara but those who are declaring : WITHOUT EMBRACING
>>> SANYAASA ASHRAMA THERE IS NO MUKTI WHATSOEVER :-))
>>
>>
>> Again, don't you think you are breaking down a strawman here?
>>
>>
>>
>> Vidyasankar
>>
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