[Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)

[D.V.N. Sarma]

Ramana Maharshi once talking with a devotee said
that he is so free that he can even marry and still
be free.

regards,
Sarma.

On 10/17/09, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Sunilji
> I too agree that truth is one and was looked only from different angles.Only
> the means for achieving the ends differ. We, unfortunately stress too much
> on means ignoring the end itself.
>
> Jiddu always used to talk about the witness there within everyone. He
> advocated to drop the mind and seek within keeping aside all rituals. Even
> the thinking of UG Krihnamurthy (natural state) was quite advaitic, though
> it looks to be bit atheastic on the surface level. I consider these two as
> classic exapmles of Jnana yogis on the lines of Ashtawakra
>
> In that way, I feel, that is the crux of all upanishads and what shri
> Shankara said too.
>
> Hope you too might have come across the books of Swamy Rama Teertha (a great
> sage who dies at a ver early age of 31)   'In the woods of God realization'
> which are strongly advaitic with very practical approch.
>
> offthe the recent western teachers , I liked the books of Eckhart Tolle
> (Power of Now/ New Earth) which I feel is nothing but advaitic.
>
> Pranams
> Vishy
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 17/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2009, 11:38 AM
>
>
> Vishyji,
>
> The truth is one. We the followers of the interpretive works of the great
> persons like Adi Sankaracharya and Gaudapadacharya understand it as Advaita.
> Everything is Brahman. How do you compare the works / thoughts of JK with
> those of Adi Sankaracharya?
>
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>
> --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 10:13 PM
>
> Michealji
>
> Exactly, the persons I quoted remained detached but were teahing rather
> sharing their experiences, right! But they were not sanyasins in traditional
> way.
>
> Sanyasi is teh one who has completely dropped " I" (ego) along with all
> desires and attachements. This can be done bythe person  who has realized
> the truth. If you look in this way they were
>
>
>
>
>
> Vishy
>
> --- On Thu, 15/10/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 3:47 PM
>
>
> Vishyji
>
> It's my understanding that a sannyasi may either renounce the world as a
> solitary, or having renounced the world, remain in it to teach the world.
> Would you agree?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Vishy
> Sent: 15 October 2009 05:42
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>
>
>
> Michaelji
>
> can you accept UG Krishnamurthy or Jiddu krishnamurthy as Jnani and sanyasi
> considering their jnana and detached life style ?
>
> Pranams
> Vishy
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 15/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:
> Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 5:06 AM
>
>
> Michaelji,
>
> Yes, the Jnani is a brahmin in the true sense of the term if you believe in
> the verse "Brahma janati iti brahman", even though by birth he may not be
> born in the brahmin's varna  and he has to discharge the duties of the
> non-brahmin varna he is born in
>
> Sunil.
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:
> Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 3:22 PM
>
> Sunil ji,
>
> Would it not  follow that the jnani would then fulfil the varna of brahmin ?
> And that, rather than being dependent on birth alone, varna is the duty in
> the whole society which one fulfils, at anhy one time, irrespective of birth
> ? That seems far nearer the divine intention than human 'rules'.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Sunil
> Bhattacharjya
> Sent: 14 October 2009 22:53
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
> (wasRe: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
>
>
>
> Dear Vidyasankarji,
>
> I think what Bhaskarji says may appear to many to be a question like
> whrther  the egg came first or the chicken. But it need not be so. I shall
> give an example, only to convey the idea though one may find fault with the
> example. If one controls the breath, ie.does pranayama, then  the mind
> becomes calm and controlled. If one controls the mind by dhyana the breaths
> get controlled automatically.
>
> Simalarly a Jnani does niskama karma as he is a samadrasti and he realises
> everybody and everything is Brahman and he had overcome his self-interest.
> Now if one starts doing Niskama karma, say because one's guru advised one to
> do so or one wanted to follow the Bhagavad Gita without really realizing the
> merits of it, even then a time will come when he would automatically start
> doing Niskama karma, call it by force of habit if you like. Eventually he
> would realise the merit of doing the niskama karma and that he is no
> different from others and thus the Jnana will dawn on him.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (was
> Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "Advaita List" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>> But this jnAna is NOT the sole property of the
>> residents of saNyAsAshrama...Those who do not have the vedAdhikAra they
>
>
> Bhaskar, I have been following this debate to the best of my ability and
> time constraints, but can you point out to me one person/post where
> AtmajnAna is declared to be the sole property of the ASrama called sannyAsa?
>
>
>
>> too can attain the 'same' result by itihAsa purANa...but fact remains that
>> they have to have that Atma jnAna only nothing else and this jnAna does
>> not come from the purusha tantra 'karma' and this karma has to be elevated
>> to the status of karmaphala saNyAsa rUpa karma yOga to get jnAna nishTe.
>
>
> What do you mean by the above? jnAna does not come from karma, but karma
> yoga involving karmaphala sannyAsa = jnAna nishThA? How?
>
>
>
>>
>> Dear Karthik prabhuji, thanks for your reference from brahma sUtra...I
>> shall look at it when I go home today. And be rest assured I am going to
>> disprove NOT shankara but those who are declaring : WITHOUT EMBRACING
>> SANYAASA ASHRAMA THERE IS NO MUKTI WHATSOEVER :-))
>
>
> Again, don't you think you are breaking down a strawman here?
>
>
>
> Vidyasankar
>
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