[Advaita-l] creationist And evolutionist

[Viswanathan N]

What is that 'Self'? That is all pervading energy (Bhramhan). Its just one without second, so where is need for any action  from this. It remained, remains and remain for ever, so where is the question of creator. The physical / material world what we see is the result of Prakruthic/ vyavaharic cycles waht you call otherwise the evolution. Its the result of cause and result of very many actions under prakruthic dharma. It keps on changing movement to movement which we call evolutionay process. But again be sure, that self is neither involved nor has anything to do with this, it remains just an observer of all these. When you center  you conciousness to this self, you wud be just the observer and not the doer or enjoyer.

elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca wrote:  
(Viswanathan) Evolution fits in better than creation for an advaitin. 
Creaton is more for more for prophrtic religions of west (islam, 
Chstny,Judaism) whis says creator sitting some where and created the world 
and adam /eve etc

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However, I think advaitins recognize that our actions CREATE our world. 
Are we not the Self ... even if most of the times anaware ?

Sylvan

>From: Viswanathan N 
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>To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta 
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>Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] creationist And evolutionist
>Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:34:51 +0100 (BST)
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>Ya u r correct
>
> Evolution fits in better than creation for an advaitin. Creaton is more 
>for more for prophrtic religions of west (islam, Chstny,Judaism) whis says 
>creator sitting some where and created the world and adam /eve etc.
>
>
>Raghavendra N Kalyan wrote:
> Namaste,
>
>
> > Can an advaitin recognize creationism And (not or) evolutionism ?
>
>
>Since evolution is based on pratyaksha and anumAna (direct 
>observation/experiment and logical inference), an advaitin should have no 
>problem in accepting it.
>
>
>But creationism can create some problems. There are some creationists who 
>claim that the world was created in 4000 BC or something like that. These 
>are directly against observation and needless to say an advaitin would 
>reject them.
>
>
>Of course there are some theories of creation in Sruti which "appear" to 
>contradict evolution. But then, the standard advaitic position is that the 
>(mutually) contradictory nature of some creation theories in Sruti, is 
>meant to drive home the point that creation falls under the realms of mAyA. 
>(I may not be exactly correct here, but this is the gist anyway). Note that 
>this is not a modern day cooked-up reinterpretation of the Sruti but it has 
>its basis in the mANDukya upanishad bhAshya + gauDapAda's kArikAs. The 
>"ajAti vAda" (no creation in the ultimate sense) is derived from this. From 
>this point of view, neither Sruti nor advaita vedAnta (which is based on 
>Sruti) should have any problem with evolution.
>
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