[Advaita-l] [advaitin] A Post-Shankara Advaitin says 'anādi ajnāna, etc. are mithyā'

[V Subrahmanian]

Dear Michael ji,

The following is what SSS says in a ‘Reply’, in a paper of 1930's (approx):

// *AdhyAsa*, of course, presupposes ignorance or want of true knowledge.
But this is a logical presupposition, a necessary implication of thought.
No positive entity like the unfortunate *MUlAvidyA* can claim precedence in
time over *adhyAsa; *for, as already said, time itself is its product.*
Vedanta which predicates the unity of Brahman will be shattered to pieces,
if a second entity not subjected to or originating from adhyAsa be for a
moment conceded to exist. *The reality of the not-self (*anAtman) *follows
necessarily from its not being *adhyAsa, *superimposed. I submit this vital
aspect of the system to the learned Professor for his deep consideration.//

It's clear that the writings of PSAs contain no evidence for a
real-as-Brahman *MUlAvidyA. *On the contrary they have explicitly stated
that such an Avidya is mithyā.  So, SSS's understanding of the PSA's
position is evidently incorrect. He tried to refute something they never
admitted or proposed.

Sureshwaracharya too accepts Avidya producing effects and as mithyā too
(that is, that which has no real existence in all three periods of time),
just as the PSA that I have cited:
तत्त्वमस्यादिवाक्योत्थसंयग्धीजन्ममात्रतः ।
*अविद्या सह कार्येण नासीदस्ति भविष्यति ॥ *

The Tattvamasi, etc. passages give rise to that knowledge which
dispels the *avidya,
along with its effects*, which is non-existent in all the three periods of
time.

If Avidya produces effects, it must inherently be a bhāvarupa entity. Also,
if the mahavakya-generated knowledge must dispel something, it must be an
existent thing, though not an ontological one.

Thus there is absolutely nothing the PSA has said that contradicts
Shankara, etc.

regards
subbu



On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 5:46 PM Michael Chandra Cohen via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Subbuji,
> "All the above prove unequivocally that proponents of the concept of
> Mūlāvidyā do not consider it a real entity apart from Brahman."
>
> Devil is in the details. If Brahman alone is, then even the proposal of a
> perception that has an "indescribable ontological status" or is sadasat
> vilakshana presents perception as other than Brahman.  Indetermnable is
> doing ontological work - something is there that can't be determined. The
> idea of a 'real entity' is disguised in the need to find a cause of
> perception with the weighty construct of avarana, vikshepa shakti, mula and
> tula avidya, and the need to posit a remainder following jnana termed
> paramamukti.
>
>  Whereas mere error simply depends on the miscomprehension of 'Brahman
> alone is'.  I don't wish to get into a debate here - just a clarification
> of a "real entity"
>
> Siddhanta Bindu,
> *dṛśyatvād vināśitvāc ca paricchinnāpy avidyā nirvacanīyatvena vicārāsahā
> āvaraṇa-vikṣepa-śakti-dvayavatī sarvagataṃ cidātmānam āvṛṇoti, aṅgulir iva
> nayana-puraḥsthitā sūrya-maṇḍalam* —
> “because it is seen and perishes, ignorance, though limited, is indefinable
> and incapable of withstanding inquiry; possessed of the two powers of
> concealment and projection, it covers the all-pervading conscious Self,
> like a finger held before the eye covers the disk of the sun.”
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 7:32 AM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sri Achyutakrishnānanda Tirtha (17th–18th Century CE), who admits
> > mūlāvidyā, also wrote a commentary on Sri Appayya Dikshita's
> Siddhantaleśa
> > Saṅgraha.  In his commentary, Vanamālā, on the Taittiriya Upanishad
> > Bhashya, he says:
> >
> > एतेनानाद्यज्ञानादेरपि मिथ्यात्वं व्याख्यातम् , अज्ञानादेरपि चैतन्ये
> > कादाचित्कत्वात् । न च हेत्वसिद्धिः, अज्ञानतत्सम्बन्धजीवत्वादीनां विद्यया
> > निवृत्तिश्रवणादित्यन्यत्र विस्तरः ।
> >
> > "By this, the *mithyātva *(illusoriness) of *beginningless ignorance
> > (anādi-ajñāna)* and the like has also been explained, since ignorance and
> > the like are only occasional (kādācitka) in Consciousness (Chaitanya).
> >
> > Nor is the reason (hetu) unestablished (asiddha), because the scriptures
> > declare that ignorance, its connection (with the Self), jīva-hood, and
> the
> > like are removed by knowledge (vidyā). A more detailed discussion of this
> > is given elsewhere."
> >
> > Recently we saw another Post Shankara Advaitin also hold that avidya,
> > etc. are mithya.
> >
> > Swami Vidyaranya, in his Anubhuti Prakasha has said:
> >
> > अविद्यादिनिवृत्तिश्च चैतन्यव्यतिरेकतः ।
> >
> > नास्तीत्येवमभिप्राय एवकारेण सूच्यते ॥ १८.२६९॥
> >
> > The cessation of anādi Avidya, etc. is also not distinct from Brahman.
> >
> > Here too the appearance/superimposition of Avidya, etc., on Brahman is
> > admitted to be non-different from Brahman. This implies that Avidya, etc.
> > are only appearances in Brahman.
> >
> > All the above prove unequivocally that proponents of the concept of
> Mūlāvidyā
> > do not consider it a real entity apart from Brahman. In other words,
> > admitting Mulavidya does not render Brahman un-Advaitic, meaning it
> doesn't
> > introduce a second entity.
> >
> > Warm regards
> >
> > subbu
> >
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