[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Is Ramanuja a Demon? Is his Sribhashya a ku-bhashya?

[V Subrahmanian]

Dear Kumar ji,

I could see your post in the forum.  Nindaa of rival siddhanta and the
Acharya Shankara is there in the Ramanuja system too.  But it is not of the
nature that was reported here from the Madhwa books.

warm regards
subbu

On Sat, Sep 20, 2025 at 7:55 PM Kumar Malyala via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Subbu ji,
>
> My name is Kumar Malyala based out of Hyderabad. Part of Aham Brahmasmi
> volunteer group. Goutham ji and Praveen Kulkarni ji know me.
> Pleased to meet you here.
>
> I posted a query and got a bounce back. Not sure if there are restrictions
> to post:
> But please consider this question as reply to the thread on the Ramanuja
> and the kubhashya topic.
>
> Dear sirs,
>
> Similar to this ninda, do any visishtadvaita works have such things?
> We see a lot of shiva ninda and denigration by pancharatra followers in
> their general practices including their yatis. Not sure if vaikhanasa also
> has similar.
>
> Thanks
> Kumar
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2025 at 7:44 PM Kumar Malyala <kumarmaly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear sirs,
> >
> > Similar to this ninda, do any visishtadvaita works have such things?
> > We see a lot of shiva ninda and denigration by pancharatra followers in
> > their general practices including their yatis. Not sure if vaikhanasa
> also
> > has similar.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kumar
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 20, 2025 at 12:10 AM Krishna Kashyap via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I have seen in the Gita Bhashya of Madhvacharya statements that say: 'If
> >> anyone meditates or considers that jivatma is the same as Brahman, he
> will
> >> go to Naraka.'  Statements like this are spread in different chapters of
> >> Gitabhasya and Gitatatparya, both by Madhvacharya.
> >>
> >> *Best Regards,*
> >>
> >> *Krishna Kashyap*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2025 at 11:20 PM V Subrahmanian <
> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2025 at 5:34 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
> >> > raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Namaste Subbu ji
> >> >>
> >> >>> Is the denigration of Sri Shankara currently available in any
> >> published
> >> >>> version of Sri Madhwa’s works. Or do we have to solely rely on the
> >> >>> secondary source of this Madhwa scholar who is quoting from a
> certain
> >> book
> >> >>> kept with him which is currently non-existent in print. And hence
> >> only this
> >> >>> Madhva scholar’s claims and quotations are the pramANa.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> > Dear Raghav ji,
> >> >
> >> > The denigration of Shankara and Advaitins in such despicable terms is
> >> > there spread across many Madhwa texts which are all available in
> public
> >> > domain.  The particular instance of this Madhwa scholar claiming to be
> >> > available in Raghavendra Tirtha's Bhagavad Gita commentary called Gita
> >> > vivruti is somewhat hazy as the printed versions do not have that
> >> > particular term that the scholar audaciously claims to be present in
> the
> >> > text.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>> I write the above not to absolve anyone but to say that -
> >> hypothetically
> >> >>> if the Madhva peethadhipatis disavow and disown all such references
> of
> >> >>> personalized abuse of Sri Shankara, then, by definition, that
> becomes
> >> the
> >> >>> Madhwa view. Especially if we don’t have any published work directly
> >> >>> available where personalized abuse of Sri Shankara figures. That
> >> leaves
> >> >>> their peculiar dvaita theology still totally at odds with advaita.
> >> But if
> >> >>> the current crop of peethadhipatis and scholars do not consider
> >> Madhwa to
> >> >>> have ever used such words in his works, then I am not complaining!
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> > This is a very laudable situation that you propose: that the present
> >> > Madhwa pontiffs along with the top brass scholars come together to
> pass
> >> a
> >> > resolution to ' disavow and disown all such references of personalized
> >> > abuse of Sri Shankara,' as you nicely put it.  But, unfortunately that
> >> > would not happen since the very root of such abuse is in
> Madhwacharya's
> >> own
> >> > works, though not the name of Shankara is taken by him anywhere while
> >> > giving no room for ambiguity to his followers that it is Shankara and
> by
> >> > extension Ramanuja, etc. Those verses are cited in the article first
> >> shared
> >> > with a link. Even though a few individuals among them may like those
> >> > references to be removed from the original texts where they are at
> >> present,
> >> > the execution of such a move would be stiffly opposed by radicals
> among
> >> > them who would like that denigration to be there forever. In other
> >> words,
> >> > the seed for the nindā was sown by Madhwa himself.
> >> >
> >> >                 The fact remains that (if I recollect) Madhva in
> >> > his iśāvāsya bhāśya says that all advaitins and for good measure,
> >> >                     even vishishTAdvaitins, go to eternal dark hellish
> >> > worlds in his commentary on the verse “andham tamaḥ praviśanti ye
> >> >           vidyām upāsate” etc.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, it is all over his bhashyas and many other works in one way or
> the
> >> > other.
> >> >
> >> > warm regards
> >> > subbu
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > (Except for the advaita paramparā, most other theologies of Indic
> origin
> >> >>> are irritatingly shallow and dogmatic. Non-Indic theologies like
> >> islam are
> >> >>> even more outrageous since they openly preach physical violence in
> >> addition
> >> >>> to eternal damnation. Christianity in its bizarre theological claims
> >> and
> >> >>> threats of eternal damnation is less violent only since a century or
> >> two,
> >> >>> but is no less a source of harm to humanity.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Om
> >> >>> Raghav
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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