[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Deep Sleep is Nondual Self with objections refuted, SSSS

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Hare Krishna Ji

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 at 10:46 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com>
wrote:

> praNAms Sri Raghav prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> I am sorry Michael ji, but no amount of “Hackery” can change the fact that
> if suShupti was shuddha brahman, it should by all standards of common sense
> be called tritiya not turIya .
>
> >  prAjna is tureeya only and likewise Vishwa and taijasa too tureeya only,


Excellent. That’s exactly the point. I am happy to see you echoing
Sudhanshuji’s and Jaishankarji’s point about this made earlier.

 All three states are ultimately appreciated by Shruti pramANa as Turiya
and initially before shastra vicAra clarifies the matter, are accepted as
afflicted with avidya.

do you want us to see 'tureeya' in some separate exalted or mysterious
> state / Avastha??  Tureeya is the naija svarUpa of all these three states
> and hence he is also called avasthAteeta.  You cannot simply assume the
> absence of tureeya in the three states and giving him the separate aloof
> state apart from these three states which shuruti asks us to analyze to
> know the true svarUpa of tureeya.  Dvaita grahaNa is there in both waking
> and dream (misconception) and in deep sleep dvaita grahaNa will not be
> there on account of 'ekatvaM' but without knowing this ekatvaM ( jnAna
> abhAva), when these two (agrahaNa and anyathAgrahaNa) ceases one is said to
> be attained the state of the fourth (tureeya) so says kArika.  So,
> tureeyatvaM is the inherent nature of prAjnA, Vishwa and taizasa and
> tureeya is NOT a separate entity. It is from this view point it has been
> pointed out by bhAshyakAra and shruti that no ignorance whatever is seen to
> be actually lurking in sushupti, for Atman of the nature of Shuddha
> Chaitanya alone remains there, but ignorant mistake and look upoin him as
> enveloped in ignorance from the waking point of view.  And as there can be
> no misconception (adhyAsa) without avidyA (jnAnAbhAva) underlying it, the
> SAME ATMAN should be considered to maintain himself free from jAgrat and
> Svapna.  Hence shruti says for the tureeya the socalled states are his
> dreams (trayee svapnAH - Itareya).
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>