[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Deep Sleep is Nondual Self with objections refuted, SSSS

[Jaishankar Narayanan]

Namaste,

See below.

On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 4:28 PM Michael Chandra Cohen <
michaelchandra108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Subbu and Raghav,
> Here is Prasanth Neti's response to your quotes on Sankara's bhasya to
> Mandukya Karika 1.2:
> Morever, the objection as below is also meaningless:
> //// If sleep has no difference with moksha why even call it a state of
> experience and talk about atmasvarUpa as turIya. Instead mAndukya
> Upandishad should have named Atma as tritIya. ////
> It is meaningless because, when AtmasvarUpa is mentioned as turIya, the
> siddhanta is clear that it is after all “Māyā sankhyā turīyam” as bhagavan
> bhashyakara puts it in the mangalācharaNa shloka of kārika bhāshya.
> Therefore this worry about ātmasvarUpa running into danger of becoming
> trItiya (the third) but not turIya (the fourth) is unnecessary - the
> sankhyā is māyā sankhyā after all!
> Bhashyakara as I pointed in same portion of karika 1.2 bhāshya clearly
> says:
> तामबीजावस्थां तस्यैव प्राज्ञशब्दवाच्यस्य तुरीयत्वेन
> देहादिसम्बन्धजाग्रदादिरहितां पारमार्थिकीं पृथग्वक्ष्यति।
> Prājña is tritIya from waking standpoint. However, from standpoint of
> truth (i.e. from its own standpoint) that itself is said to be the truth
> (again “the fourth!” from waking standpoint).
> I think this is sufficient enough reply for all objections together.
>

Jai: This is the typical sophistry used by SSSS followers. Whenever you
point out something illogical or unreasonable in their positions, they
resort to pAramArthika and say everything is anyway mAyA or adhyAropa.
Every Advaitin knows sankhya is mithyA. In fact even modern Mathematicians
know it, as they discovered they could not define what a number is (Search
for Russel's Paradox). If sankhya is mAyA shruti could have as well said
shataka or sahasra instead of turIya.

with love and prayers,
Jaishankar