[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: avidyA is adhyasta (superimposed) in AtmA

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Namaste Sudhanshu ji


On Tue, 14 Jan, 2025, 2:53 pm Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Raghav ji.
>
> I think the claim is that the upAdhi of mind and body are created by
>> Ishvara by his mAyA shakti and they are not independent of their substratum
>> by kArya-kAraNa-ananyatvaM. But to identify with them and take them to be
>> AtmA is being termed jivatvam. So jnAnAbhAva leads to the identification
>> with the Ishvara-created upAdhi. This is my understanding of what they are
>> saying. So jIvatva-adhyAsa is jnAnAbhAva-prasUtam while upAdhis are Ishvara
>> sRshTi.
>>
>
> But as per SSSS ji, mAyA is
> avidyA-kalpita/avidyA-kalpita/avidyA-pratyupasthApita.
>

So, Ishwara's mAyA-shakti, as per them, is avidyA-kalpita only.
>
I remember reading that such an idea (viz., the idea that nAmArUpe dvE
avidyA-pratyupasthApite) is only figurative vide., viSha-samyuktam-annam
viShamityucyate. So they would maintain that nAmarUpe are mAyA-kRte. And
only kArya-kAraNa-ananyatvaM remains to be appreciated in the case of
nAmarUpe.

1. Even supposing (for arguments sake) they don't say that mAyA is
avidyA-kalpitA, and instead independently they (or someone else) say Maya
is the material cause of antaHkaraNa etc with kArya-kAraNa-ananyatvaM with
Brahman, and thus dismiss avidyOpAdAna-kAraNatva , what would be the best
counter to that? (My take is that the way they explain KKA, the kAraNopAdhi
is not sublated and there is no bAdha of dvaita in SSS method. )

2. Thank you for  giving all original references. Did you quote from
kleshApahArini that mAyA is avidyA-kalpitA according to SSS if it's there
explicitly? Undoubtedly numerous shruti and bhAShya passages are there like
"nAmarUpe vyAkaravANi", "tat-sRShtvA tadevAnuprAvishat",
avidyA-pratyupasthApite nAmarUpe etc., so SSS would have no doubt echoed
them. But can you please give a reference from SSS that mAyA is
avidyA-kalpitA. That would be highly problematic for SSS prakriya to then
say the avidyA-kalpita antaHkaraNa has a doSha called avidyA, as you have
been pointing out.

Om
Raghav

So, even if the mind is created by Ishwara's mAyA-shakti, it would still
> require avidyA. So, the defect will remain.
>


> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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