[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Nirvikalpa Samadhi

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

I had earlier stated as under.

  Reg  // Q. Is akhandaakaara vritti - same as Nirvikalpaka Samadhi? //,

 In the Bhashya, it is stated that destruction of avidyA and origination of
jnAna are not related as cause and effect. On the otherhand the two terms
mean the same. I tried my best to locate the same today, but unfortunately
did not succeed. I will continue my attempts to locate the same. Meanwhile
I request any other member who can locate it  to cite the relevant bhashya
//.

The following citation and subsequent discussion thereon in the Bhashya may
be referred.

BUB 1-4-10

//  अविद्यापगममात्रत्वाद्ब्रह्मप्राप्तिफलस्य //.

//  avidyApagamamAtratvAdbrahmaprAptiphalasya //

Translation (Swami Madhavananda) // For, the Realisation of Brahman, which
is this result, consists in the mere cessation of ignorance //.

Translation (Sri SSS in kannada, kannada to English mine. I have retained
some terms as they appear in kannada as they are selfexplanatory and more
meaningful than English translations of the same)

// ಏಕೆಂದರೆ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮಪ್ರಾಪ್ತಿಫಲವು ಎಂದರೆ ಅವಿದ್ಯೆಯು ತೊಲಗುವದೇ ಹೊರತು (ಮತ್ತೇನೂ ಅಲ್ಲ)
//

// For, Brahma prApti phala means nothing  other than cessation of avidyA
//.

// एवमात्मविषयं विज्ञानं यत्कालम् , तत्काल एव तद्विषयाज्ञानतिरोभावः स्यात्
//

// evamAtmaviShayaM vij~nAnaM yatkAlam , tatkAla eva
tadviShayAj~nAnatirobhAvaH syAt //

Translation (Swami Madhavananda)  //  similarly the very moment that one
has knowledge of the

Supreme Self, ignorance regarding It must disappear //.

Translation (Sri SSS) // ಅದರಂತೆ ಆತ್ಮವಿಷಯದ ವಿಜ್ಞಾನವು ಯಾವ ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಾಗುವದೋ ಆ
ಕಾಲದಲ್ಲಿಯೇ ಅದರ ವಿಷಯದ ಅಜ್ಞಾನವು ಮರಯಾಗಬೇಕು //

// Similarly at the time vijnAna relating to Self originates, at the same
time ajnAna relating to it must disappear //.

Regards

On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Pranams Sadananda Ji,
>
>
>
> Reg  // Q. Is akhandaakaara vritti - same as Nirvikalpaka Samadhi? //,
>
>
>
> In the Bhashya, it is stated that destruction of avidyA and origination of
> jnAna are not related as cause and effect. On the otherhand the two terms
> mean the same. I tried my best to locate the same today, but unfortunately
> did not succeed. I will continue my attempts to locate the same. Meanwhile
> I request any other member who can locate it  to cite the relevant bhashya.
>
>
>
> The same holds good here. Realization/Aakhandaakaara vritti/ Nirvikalpaka
> Samadhi/any of the other terms used referring to the same are all synonyms
> and mean the same. They do not bear any cause and effect relationship.
>
>
> Pranams and Regards
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 7:46 AM Kuntimaddi Sadananda <
> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Charamouliji and others who responded to my inquiry - PraNAms
>>
>> Those familiar with Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's life know that he was
>> meditating like a statue unaware of the external world. The compositions,
>> particularly 'Upadesha Saara' and 'Sat Darshanam',  and his answers to the
>> questions came later. Obviously, he was answering using his mind. The
>> question that arises is whether that state of - unawareness of the
>> universe - is a prerequisite for Self-Realization.  I am also reminded
>> of the sloka - 'vidhyaa vinaya sampanne ... samadarshinaH' -and 'samatvam
>> yoga uchyate'.
>>
>> Q. Is akhandaakaara vritti - same as Nirvikalpaka Samadhi?
>>
>> Hari Om!
>> Sada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 7, 2025 at 02:55:30 PM GMT+5:30, H S Chandramouli via
>> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Pranams Sadananda Ji,
>>
>>
>> Translation of the stanza from Upadesa Sara cited by  you, as provided by
>> Arunachala ashrama is copied below.
>>
>>
>> // 17. मानसं तु किं मार्गणे कृते ।
>> नैव मानसं मार्ग आर्जवात् ॥ १७॥
>>
>>
>> *mānasaṃ tu kiṃ mārgaṇe kṛte naiva mānasaṃ mārge ārjavāt*
>>
>> When unceasingly the mind
>> Scans its own form
>> There is nothing of the kind.
>> For every one
>> This path direct is open //.
>>
>>
>> While no doubt the clear official elaboration of this is to be given by
>> the
>> ardent followers of the Maharshi, my own understanding is as below.
>>
>> The unique characterization  of the mind is the *triputi*,
>> *knower,known,knowledge*. All its manifestations involve this. It may be
>> considered its **form**, mentioned in the verse. When this is unceasingly
>> analyzed, it culminates in the *anubhava*  of  *absence of triputi*.  This
>> is *disappearance of the mind*. It should not be understood as physical
>> destruction of the mind.
>>
>>
>> This also is * nirvikalpa samAdhi*. This ceaseless analysis, as per
>> traditional sAdhanas  prescribed, is through ShravaNa/manana/nididhyAsana.
>>
>>
>> Pranams and Regards
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 11:35 AM 'Kuntimaddi Sadananda' via advaitin <
>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> > PraNAms to everybody.
>> >
>> > There seems to be a lot of confusion related to Nirvilpa samadhi.
>> >
>> > Q. What is the role of Nirvilpa Samadhi? Is this state essential for the
>> > realization of the absolute? Can one realize the truth without it?
>> >
>> > Many quote Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi - some out of context. He seems to
>> say
>> > the mind is a problem, and one has to get rid of it!
>> > maanasantukim maarganekrute, naiva maanasam, maarga aarjavat| from
>> > Upadesha saara.
>> > Inquiring into the Nature of the mind itself - if one does that, the
>> very
>> > mind disappears, and that is the direct path.
>> >
>> > Hari Om!
>> > Sada
>> >
>> >
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