[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Nirvikalpa Samadhi

[Kuntimaddi Sadananda]

Chandramouliji- PraNAms
Thanks for taking the time to address the issue that I raised. 
My understanding closely matches what you stated. 
I raised the question since there are many posts on Facebook from people from different backgrounds endorsing that Nirvikalpaka state is a prerequisite for Self-realization, and quote many question-answers given by Ramana Maharshi related to this topic. 
Hari Om!Sada


 

    On Saturday, February 8, 2025 at 05:44:13 PM GMT+5:30, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
Pranams Sadanada Ji,

 

In continuation, for purposes of understanding, a sequenceis conceived, not in terms of time but in terms of understanding, as betweenmahAvAkya shravaNa-shAbda janya vritti-automatic origination of akhandAkAravritti of the form aham brhmAsmi-destruction of AvaraNa-Realization or jIvabrahma aikya jnAnajnAna or Atma jnAna. 

 

All the terms mean the same. There is no cause-effectrelationship between any of them. Also termed instantaneous and simultaneous.

 
Pranams and Regards
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 4:42 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:


Pranams Sadananda Ji,

 

Reg  // Q. Is akhandaakaara vritti - same as Nirvikalpaka Samadhi?//,

 

In the Bhashya, it is stated that destruction of avidyA andorigination of jnAna are not related as cause and effect. On the otherhand thetwo terms mean the same. I tried my best to locate the same today, but unfortunatelydid not succeed. I will continue my attempts to locate the same. Meanwhile I requestany other member who can locate it  to citethe relevant bhashya. 

 

The same holds good here. Realization/Aakhandaakaara vritti/Nirvikalpaka Samadhi/any of the other terms used referring to the same are all synonymsand mean the same. They do not bear any cause and effect relationship.

 
Pranams and Regards
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 7:46 AM Kuntimaddi Sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:

Charamouliji and others who responded to my inquiry - PraNAms
Those familiar with Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's life know that he was meditating like a statue unaware of the external world. The compositions, particularly 'Upadesha Saara' and 'Sat Darshanam',  and his answers to the questions came later. Obviously, he was answering using his mind. The question that arises is whether that state of - unawareness of the  universe - is a prerequisite for Self-Realization.  I am also reminded of the sloka - 'vidhyaa vinaya sampanne ... samadarshinaH' -and 'samatvam yoga uchyate'. 
Q. Is akhandaakaara vritti - same as Nirvikalpaka Samadhi? 
Hari Om!Sada 

 

    On Friday, February 7, 2025 at 02:55:30 PM GMT+5:30, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:  
 
 Pranams Sadananda Ji,


Translation of the stanza from Upadesa Sara cited by  you, as provided by
Arunachala ashrama is copied below.


// 17. मानसं तु किं मार्गणे कृते ।
नैव मानसं मार्ग आर्जवात् ॥ १७॥


*mānasaṃ tu kiṃ mārgaṇe kṛte naiva mānasaṃ mārge ārjavāt*

When unceasingly the mind
Scans its own form
There is nothing of the kind.
For every one
This path direct is open //.


While no doubt the clear official elaboration of this is to be given by the
ardent followers of the Maharshi, my own understanding is as below.

The unique characterization  of the mind is the *triputi*,
*knower,known,knowledge*. All its manifestations involve this. It may be
considered its **form**, mentioned in the verse. When this is unceasingly
analyzed, it culminates in the *anubhava*  of  *absence of triputi*.  This
is *disappearance of the mind*. It should not be understood as physical
destruction of the mind.


This also is * nirvikalpa samAdhi*. This ceaseless analysis, as per
traditional sAdhanas  prescribed, is through ShravaNa/manana/nididhyAsana.


Pranams and Regards

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 11:35 AM 'Kuntimaddi Sadananda' via advaitin <
advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:

> PraNAms to everybody.
>
> There seems to be a lot of confusion related to Nirvilpa samadhi.
>
> Q. What is the role of Nirvilpa Samadhi? Is this state essential for the
> realization of the absolute? Can one realize the truth without it?
>
> Many quote Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi - some out of context. He seems to say
> the mind is a problem, and one has to get rid of it!
> maanasantukim maarganekrute, naiva maanasam, maarga aarjavat| from
> Upadesha saara.
> Inquiring into the Nature of the mind itself - if one does that, the very
> mind disappears, and that is the direct path.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sada
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