[Advaita-l] [advaitin] How jnAnAbhAva can cause adhyAsa !!??

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

What a question.

The text referred to by you, the Index has a title ** एकसत्तावाद-
सत्तात्रैविध्यवादयोः निर्देश:** for page 100. Page 100 itself has one small
paragraph from VivaraNa which does not mention even once the words **
एकसत्तावाद
** or ** सत्तात्रैविध्यवाद **. It is just your inference as to what the
terms relate to.

The translation by Prof PS Shastri of the relevant portion of VivaraNa on
page 100 is copied below.

// Objection: But the silver is apprehended as real and not as
'anirvacaniya'. Is this not contrary to experience ?

Reply: Just as the thisness (idanta) has the 'samsarga' with the silver,
what appears (avabhasate) is the 'shuktika satta samsarga' (relation of the
being of shukti). This is not a new, 'sattva' of silver. The reality of the
shukti is apprehended as the reality of silver.

Or, we accept three degrees of reality (sattvam). Ultimate reality
(Paramartha sattvam) is that of Brahman. Then there is the empirical
reality which has the ability to bring about the objects and actions. This
is conditioned, by maya and it is manifested in the form of akasa etc. Then
there is a third degree of reality which is conditioned by "avidya'; and it
is apprehended in the form of silver etc., in erroneous cognition.
Considered with reference to ultimate reality, the third degree of reality
is called 'anirvacaniya'. As such it is not contrary to experience.
Following experience we accept the reality of the object here also //.

It should be clear from the above what the Index title means. I need not
have to explain. What I had stated earlier in no way contradicts Sri
Subramanya Shastri Ji's categorization. On the other hand, the translation
copied above exactly tallies with my earlier observation.

Regards

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 11:10 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji.
>
> Are you under the impression that ESV and TSV in the impugned VivaraNa
> statement is my imagination?
>
> The discussion is centred around mithyAtvam. There is no reference to ESV
>> vis a vis STV. Why should the answer then be related to ESV?.
>>
> You should check the index prepared by S Subramanya Shastri ji in
> PanchpadikavivaraNa book by Dakshinamurthy MaTha. Please see the index
> reference for page no. 100 at the following link:
>
>
> https://archive.org/details/DQJe_panchapadika-of-sri-padmapadacarya-with-the-commentaries-of-vivarana-tattvadipan/page/n64/mode/1up
>
> Page no 100, where the impugned statement of VivaraNa occurs is
> categorised as एकसत्तावाद-सत्तात्रैविध्यवादयोः निर्देश:
>
> Page no 100 is at
> https://archive.org/details/DQJe_panchapadika-of-sri-padmapadacarya-with-the-commentaries-of-vivarana-tattvadipan/page/n168/mode/1up
>
> So, it is crystal clear, as certified by S Subramanya Shastri ji that the
> impugned VivaraNa statement is regarding ESV-TSV. I don't think I need to
> say anything further unless you dispute the scholarship of Shastri ji.
>
> The objection is ** you hold that silver is mithyA because of
>> traikAlika-atyanta-abhAva of silver. But the response **this is not
>> silver** does not lead to that conclusion. Hence the definition is wrong
>> **. There is no reason to bring in the idea of ESV at all. The discussion
>> is as per STV thus far.
>>
> You may recheck your conclusions in light of evidence provided. I am not
> responding to other comments of yours. I have elaborated my understanding
> in unambiguous terms and with lot of precision. I have nothing more to add.
>
> However, I wish to know your final take on whether you agree with
> Subramanya Shastri Ji's categorisation or not.
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>
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