[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Kilogram concluded

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Yes there is much you have explained and referenced. I shall carefully
study it.
Thank you

Om
Raghav


On Thu, 5 Sept, 2024, 5:35 pm Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Raghav ji.
>
> AvaraNa-kritya is defined as नास्ति न प्रकाशत इति व्यवहार
> एवाभिज्ञादिसाधारणः; अस्ति प्रकाशत इत्येतद्व्यवहाराभावो वा आवरणकृत्यम् ।
>
> AvaraNa is defined as आवरणं च तद्योग्यता (आवरणकृत्यस्य-योग्यता)
> अज्ञानसंबन्धरूपा.
>
> These both are in Advaita Siddhi - avidyAyAh vishayatva vichArah. They are
> based on VivaraNa statement - अविद्यासम्बन्धत्वादेव आवरणस्य.
>
> BAlabodhinI clearly says on page 1361 - चैतन्ये अविद्यासम्बन्ध एव आवरणम्
>
> //Can we say avidyA is the veil while AvaraNa is veiling 'process' by which
> shuddha-cit gets veiled and so we say avidyA-cit-*sambandha* for AvaraNa?//
>
> I think AvaraNa is a shakti of avidyA, through which avidyA produces
> AvaraNa-kritya. In a way, shakti-shaktimAna-abheda tells us that avidyA and
> AvaraNa would be non-different. Also, avidyA is not a material cause of
> avidyA-chit-sambandha but merely vyApaka. So, their swarUpa-sambandhatA can
> also be argued. In fact, at one place, it is asserted also:-
>
> *Alternatively, avidyA-chaitanya-sambandha is avidyA-Atmaka i.e.
> avidyA-mAtra and hence comes within the purview of lakshya. Since there
> cannot be samyoga sambandha or samavAya sambandha (as it is between
> avayava-avayavI, guNa-guNI, kriyA-kriyAvat, jAti-vyakti,
> vishesha-nityadravya) between avidyA and chaitanya, it necessarily has to
> be swarUpa-sambandha. Since swarUpa-sambandha is sambandhI-anatirikta, it
> has to be avidyA. Thus, avidyA-chaitanya-sambandha is avidyA itself. Hence,
> there is no ativyApti.*
>
> So, I think much deliberation on AvaraNa-avidyA relationship may not be
> very productive.
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 5:18 PM Raghav Kumar <raghavkumar72 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Sudhanshu ji
> > Can you please elaborate on the idea that AvaraNa is
> avidyA-cit-sambandha?
> > Is there any place this distinction is dealt with?
> >
> > Can we say avidyA is the veil while AvaraNa is veiling 'process' by which
> > shuddha-cit gets veiled and so we say avidyA-cit-*sambandha* for AvaraNa?
> >
> > Om
> > Raghav
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On Thu, 5 Sept 2024 at 2:25 pm, Sudhanshu Shekhar
> > <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Namaste Bhaskar prabhu ji.
> >
> > I would just make one correction.
> >
> > //So, mUlAvidyA is like that blindfold, which is capable of veiling
> > Brahman.//
> >
> > Actually, the statement is not correct. AvaraNa is defined not as avidyA,
> > but as avidyA-chit-sambandha, which is avidyA-prayukta. So, it is
> > avidyA-vyApya but not avidyA itself.
> >
> > To that extent the previous post may be modified.
> >
> > Regards.
> > Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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