[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Kilogram concluded

[Venkatraghavan S]

Just thought of another example - to paraphrase Bertrand Russell, a list of
all lists should include itself too.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan


On Wed, 4 Sept 2024, 21:06 Venkatraghavan S, <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Raghav ji,
>
> A recursive function / algorithm which calls itself, but also achieves a
> particular outcome, could be a more modern version of a sva-para-nirvAhaka
> vastu.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On Wed, 4 Sept 2024, 20:41 Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Venkat ji and Sudhanshu ji
>>
>> AvidyA is svaparanirvAhikA like the category called "bheda".
>>
>>
>> The idea of AtmAshraya doSha being present in most logical systems and not
>> only in traditional nyAya, can we give any other laukika example(s) for
>> sva-para-nirvAhikA (to say avidyA idea is not subject to
>> AtmAshraya-doSha).
>> I mean other examples easier to relate to without entities like "bheda" ;
>> the SS idea of bheda differentiating both itself from others (sva) as well
>> as others (bheda is not a pot) from each other (para - like pot from
>> cloth).
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Om
>> Raghav
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Sept, 2024, 5:21 pm Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l, <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
>> >
>> > Re
>> > "But, in eka-sattA-vAda, do we give provisional existence to
>> > ignorance/world? "
>> >
>> > In my opinion - The existence of ignorance in ekasattAvAda should be
>> > sat-tAdAtmya only. avidyA is sva-para-nirvAhikA and anAdi, so there is
>> no
>> > AtmAshraya doSha with that.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Venkatraghavan
>> >
>> > On Wed, 4 Sept 2024, 19:34 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thank you Venkat ji for your response.
>> > >
>> > > If we do not give ignorance provisional existence, we would be open to
>> > >> charge of apramANya to the karma kANDa.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > In sattA-traividhya-vAda, I fully agree with you that provisional
>> > > existence is granted to ignorance/world.
>> > >
>> > > But, in eka-sattA-vAda, do we give provisional existence to
>> > > ignorance/world? Eka-sattA-vAda is not from the standpoint of
>> Brahman. It
>> > > is still from the ignorance standpoint. So, the onus of explanation of
>> > > ignorance/world/veil remains on the advaitI. However, he does not give
>> > any
>> > > sort of existence to ignorance/world. We do the vyapadesha of
>> > > prAtibhAsikatva/vyAvahArikatva without admitting
>> prAtibhAsika/vyAvahArika
>> > > sattA because we accept san-mAtra-grAhI-pratyaksha. We do not accept
>> any
>> > > sort of sattva to vyAvAvahArika/prAtibhAsika vastu, rather mere
>> > > sat-tAdAtmya is accepted.  I think it is a very important point which
>> > must
>> > > be appreciated.
>> > >
>> > > Is that not so?
>> > >
>> > > May I request you to kindly see page no 7 of the PDF where necessary
>> > > citation from Shat BhUshanI is mentioned (from page 63 and 90 of
>> Volume
>> > 1)
>> > >
>> >
>> https://sudhanshushekhar.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/eka-satta-vada-vis-a-vis-satta-traividhya-vada.pdf
>> > >
>> > > Please share your views if I have made any errors in my understanding.
>> > >
>> > > Regards.
>> > > Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>> > >
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