[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: RE: Re: [advaitin] apauruSheyatva of the Veda

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

Reg  // One would always think what is meant by eternal here !! //.

Instead , what one should think of is what is meant by **mantras** here.
That is what the Bhashya answers.
Regards

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:35 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
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> Namaste.
>
> Those interested may also refer to  the Vartika of Swami Sureswaracharya
> also in this connection.
>
> Regards
>
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> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:32 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> I have no issues with copying my post to Advaitin list.
>>
>> Reg  //   if this nityatva is like brahman / satya / Atman etc. then
>> shruti itself would have not been said 'atra veda aveada', that too in
>> sushupti (not even in paramArtha jnAna (source vide br.up.) //,
>>
>> Is the Bhashya itself being questioned or my understanding of the same.
>> Since I have just presented Bhashya as is, it should be possible for
>> members to understand what it conveys.
>>
>> Reference should be made to Bhashya itself as to what is meant by 'atra
>> veda aveada' in BU 4-3-22. It means ,as per Bhashya,  in Sushupti, the jIva
>> is dissociated with the results of actions. It has no bearing on nityatva
>> of vedAs which is the issue here.
>>
>> //  तथा वेदाः — साध्यसाधनसम्बन्धाभिधायकाः, मन्त्रलक्षणाश्च अभिधायकत्वेन
>> कर्माङ्गभूताः, अधीताः अध्येतव्याश्च — कर्मनिमित्तमेव सम्बध्यन्ते पुरुषेण ;
>> तत्कर्मातिक्रमणात् एतस्मिन्काले वेदा अपि अवेदाः सम्पद्यन्ते । //
>>
>> //  tathA vedAH — sAdhyasAdhanasambandhAbhidhAyakAH, mantralakShaNAshcha
>> abhidhAyakatvena karmA~NgabhUtAH, adhItAH adhyetavyAshcha —
>> karmanimittameva sambadhyante puruSheNa ; tatkarmAtikramaNAt etasminkAle
>> vedA api avedAH sampadyante | //
>>
>> Translation by Swami Madhavananda  //  The Vedas also, consisting of the
>> BrAhmaNAs, which describe the means, the goal and their relation, as well
>> as the Mantras, and forming part of the rites, since they deal with them,
>>  whether already read or yet to be read, are connected with a man through
>> those rites. Since he transcends those rites, the Vedas too then are no
>> Vedas //.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 3:43 PM Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> with the eternal Self, can be reconciled only if the mantras are eternal
>>>
>>> praNAms
>>> Hare Krishna
>>>
>>> One would always think what is meant by eternal here !!  if this
>>> nityatva is like brahman / satya / Atman etc. then shruti itself would have
>>> not been said 'atra veda aveada', that too in sushupti (not even in
>>> paramArtha jnAna (source vide br.up.) so is it better to think maNtrOkta
>>> jnana is eternal like brahma tattva instead of mantra Shabda in itself!!??
>>> Anyway,  atra veda aveda shruti declaration  definitely ring a bell that
>>> veda-s are not eternal in literal sense unlike brahma / tattva / satya.
>>>  If I remember right this topic of cessation of shruti (veda) comes for
>>> discussion in sUtra bhAshya (4th chapter??  Geeta bhAshya ?? Not sure) Here
>>> bhAshyakAra is comfortable and OK with the cessation of shruti after the
>>> dawn of jnana, bhAshyakAra quotes here atra veda aveda and clarifies shruti
>>> itself endorses this termination of the validity of the shruti.   Just
>>> thinking aloud.
>>>
>>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>> bhaskar
>>>
>>
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