[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] What is the glue that binds Brahman and Maya together?

[V Subrahmanian]

We have one more: ocean (water) and waves.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 2:04 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The Chandogya 6th chapter gives three analogies: clay, gold and iron - all
> three to equate with Nirguna Brahman.
>
> The Gaudapada karika adds one more: visphulinga: sparks coming from fire.
> This analogy is also to show Brahman the cause being the source of the
> world.
>
> regards
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 2:00 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> Reg  //Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//,
>>
>> Equating inert substance with Chaitanya ??  Cannot recall a similar
>> sentiment from any other advaitic text.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 3:06 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:57 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
>>> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Namaste Subramanian ji.
>>> >
>>> > //Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//
>>> >
>>> > How is it in tune with VedAnta? Gold is the material cause of
>>> ornaments.
>>> > Nirgun Brahman is not the material cause. Material cause is MAyA which
>>> is
>>> > adhyAropita in Nirguna Brahman leading to adhyAropita material
>>> causality of
>>> > mAyA-vishishTa-Brahman.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Dear Sudhamshu ji,
>>>
>>> We do accept vivartopAdAna for Brahman.  The Chandogya Upanishad 6th
>>> chapter, with the same gold, etc. analogies, the BSB 2;1;14 are all about
>>> this.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> subbu
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Regards.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 25 Oct, 2023, 10:49 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 5:35 PM H S Chandramouli <
>>> >> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Namaste.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Listened to the talk. What exactly is he equating gold with. Is it
>>> >> NirguNa
>>> >> > Brahman?
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, he is equating gold with NB.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Or is it Iswara ? Or is it mAyA ?. At 1-22, he mentions * It is like
>>> >> gold
>>> >> > *. But what does that * It * refer to ? NirguNa Brahman ?
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, NB.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > mAyA ? Iswara ? At 1-52, he states that gold plus mAyA becomes the
>>> >> Creator
>>> >> > !!!
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, NB plus Maya is Ishwara and so in the analogy gold plus Maya
>>> becomes
>>> >> the creator of bracelet, etc. He has already said: the nama rupa
>>> vyavahara
>>> >> is maya.  We can recall the famous shloka: asti bhAti priyam rUpam
>>> nAma
>>> >> chetyamshapanchakam. Adya trayam brahma rupam mayarupam tato dvayam.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > At 1-50, he terms mAyA itself as nAma rUpa vyavahAra.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> This is in tune with the above shloka. The shakti that is maya can't
>>> be
>>> >> demonstrated unless through its kArya. So, to say Maya itself is nama
>>> rupa
>>> >> vyavahara is not incorrect.
>>> >>
>>> >> I did find it quite in tune with the method Vedanta that is familiar
>>> to
>>> >> most of us.
>>> >>
>>> >> warm regards
>>> >> subbu
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > He does not say mAyA takes on different nAma rUpa which constitute
>>> >> > different objects and lead to vyavahAra. At 2-23, he asks * Can you
>>> >> show me
>>> >> > the gold separately apart from the form *. Gold is  always the
>>> >> unmanifest
>>> >> > material cause which can be perceived ONLY in a manifest form,
>>> namely as
>>> >> > associated with a form. That is a limitation of the sense organ of
>>> >> > perception. At 2-46, he says there is only one and that is *You*.
>>> This
>>> >> , in
>>> >> > reference to gold as being one only while ornaments in different
>>> forms
>>> >> are
>>> >> > multitudinous.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The talk in my view is very unsatisfactory. I do appreciate there
>>> are
>>> >> many
>>> >> > who differ. Just presenting a contrary understanding.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:18 PM V Subrahmanian <
>>> >> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Swami Sarvapriyananda
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://youtu.be/nTvGSyZbSew?si=l2N3-ozg0jSXSoff
>>> >> >>
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