[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: [advaitin] Re: Gaudapada and Shankara say: the world is imagined by the jiva through avidya

[V Subrahmanian]

Many thanks, Sudhanshu ji for the lucid explanation. That will be very
useful to understand this concept.

warm regards
subbu

On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 6:12 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Bhaskar ji, V Subramanian ji.
>
> SAmAnAdhikaraNya is defined as सामानाधिकरण्यं नाम
> भिन्नप्रवृत्तिनिमित्तानां शब्दानामेकस्मिन्नर्थे वृत्ति:। It is a
> relationship between two words.
>
> When two words have different pravritti-nimitta, i.e. when two words are
> used due to different reasons and yet they reside in same object i.e. they
> indicate the same object, then there is sAmAnAdhikaraNya-sambandha between
> those two words.
>
> Pitcher is a synonym of pot. We can use either of the two words to
> indicate a pot. So, if someone says – pitcher is pot, then it is NOT an
> example of sAmAnAdhikaraNya because the causes of using the words pitcher
> and pot are not different. SAmAnAdhikaraNya applies only when the
> pravritti-nimitta of two words are different and yet the words reside in
> the same object.
>
> When we say “सः अयं देवदत्तः”, then two words सः and अयं are used to
> indicate same object, Devadatta. However, the reasons for using these two
> words are different. सः is used to denote
> Devadatta-qualified-with-time-t1-and-space-s1
> (तद्देश-तत्काल-विशिष्ट-देवदत्त) whereas अयं is used to denote
> Devadatta-qualified-with-time-t2-and-space-s2
> (एतद्देश-एतत्काल-विशिष्ट-देवदत्त). Thus, it is a situation wherein there is
> sAmAnAdhikaraNya between the words सः and अयं.
> Badhayam sAmAnAdhikaraNya
>
> A and B are said to be in bAdhAyAm sAmAnAdhikaraNya if the objects denoted
> by the literal meanings of the words A and B have different ontological
> status. For e.g. take the statement स्थाणुरयं पुरुषः – This post is a man.
> Here, a man was taken as a stump. The statement equating post to man does
> not have mukhya sAmAnAdhikaraNya as the entities denoted by the literal
> meaning of the word stump and man are different ontologically. Here, it is
> not a case of lakshaNA. It is a case where the object denoted by the
> literal meaning of stump is sublated completely and thus the word stump
> indicates the same entity which is indicated by another word.
>
> Application of sAmAnAdhikaraNya in advaita
>
> In the Shruti “sarvam…..Brahm”, it is clear that there is
> sAmAnAdhikaraNya. Now, it needs to be understood as to whether it is bAdha
> or mukhya. There is no debate here. It is bAdhAyAm-sAmAnAdhikaraNya. It is
> just as “this stump is man”. The entity denoted by the literal meaning of
> the word “sarvam” is sublated completely and the indicated meaning i.e.
> Brahman is achieved. BhAshyakAra says –  ‘सर्वं ब्रह्म’ इति तु
> सामानाधिकरण्यं प्रपञ्चप्रविलापनार्थम्.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Fri, 28 Jul, 2023, 5:50 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 2:48 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> > praNAms Sri Subbu prabhuji
>> >
>> > Hare Krishna
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Let us get more clarity on this instead of mere statements.  Would you
>> > please explain in detail what exactly is baadhaayaam
>> saamaanaadhikaranyam
>> > in the context of baadha (sublation) of mithyA prapancha and how it is
>> > relevant in this discussion of ‘kevala Kalpita prapancha’ ??
>> >
>>
>> As stated in the Gita bhashya I cited, the equation 'that which is silver
>> =
>> shell'.  The equation will make no sense unless it is explained. 'That
>> which I wrongly saw as silver is actually the shell.'  In other words
>> 'Instead of knowing the object in front of me as a shell, I wrongly
>> perceived it as silver.'  With this explanation, the equation makes sense:
>> silver = shell.  In the shruti example: brahma pashcaat, brahma purastaat,
>> uttaratah, dakshinatah... this equation will translate to: sarvam
>> khalvidam
>> brahma, atmaivedam sarvam, brahmaivedam sarvam, etc. The 'this, that,
>> etc.'
>> that I perceived as real before the shruti taught me, now I say 'All this
>> that etc. is actually Brahman.'  This is possible only if Brahman was
>> wrongly seen as this, that etc.   So,the right knowledge is expressed as
>> 'sarvam brahma' etc. after negating/sublating the this, that, etc. This
>> negating part is called 'baadhaa'. The saamaanaadhikaranyam is possible
>> only after the baadhaa of the mithya jagat.  Thus, it is not 'kevala'
>> mithya jagat but the Brahman-alone-wrongly-perceived-jagat. The
>> adhishthanam remains after the baadhaa of the aropita. Hence alone this is
>> not vijnanavada. Shankara has clarified this.
>>
>> regards
>> subbu
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!
>> >
>> > bhaskar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* advaitin at googlegroups.com <advaitin at googlegroups.com> *On
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>> > *Subject:* Re: [advaitin] Re: Gaudapada and Shankara say: the world is
>> > imagined by the jiva through avidya
>> >
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>> > Dear Bhaskar ji,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What you are saying as the words of Sri SSS is not new to Shankara.  He
>> > has already said that in the BG bhashya;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ब्रह्मार्पणं ब्रह्म हविर्ब्रह्माग्नौ ब्रह्मणा हुतम् ।
>> > ब्रह्मैव तेन गन्तव्यं ब्रह्मकर्मसमाधिना ॥ २४ ॥
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ब्रह्म अर्पणं येन करणेन ब्रह्मवित् हविः अग्नौ अर्पयति तत् ब्रह्मैव इति
>> > पश्यति, तस्य आत्मव्यतिरेकेण अभावं पश्यति, यथा शुक्तिकायां रजताभावं
>> पश्यति
>> > ; तदुच्यते ब्रह्मैव अर्पणमिति, यथा यद्रजतं तत् शुक्तिकैवेति ।
>> >
>> > Shankara says: Just as one would see the abhaava of silver in shell,
>> here
>> > too the Jnani's drushti will be: the abhaava of the dvaita prapancha in
>> > Brahman. He gives the equation: that which is silver is shell.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This equation is called: baadhaayaam saamaanaadhikaranyam.  Thus, the
>> > mithya dvaita prapancha is equated to Brahman only upon negating,
>> baadhaa,
>> > of the mithya prapancha.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sri SSS has also said this alone.  The explicit expression of the
>> > mithyatva of the world cannot be avoided at any cost in Shankara and
>> > Gaudapada's texts.  Shankara invariably gives the rajjusarpa,
>> shuktirajata,
>> > svapna, magician analogies while saying this. Thus you can see that I
>> have
>> > not misrepresented or twisted Sri SSS's statements.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> > subbu
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 1:13 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
>> > advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > praNAms Sri Subbu prabhuji
>> >
>> > Hare Krishna
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I hope you can understand Kannada which I have typed in English 😊
>> > vikalpavellavannu brahma tattvavAgiye tiLidu kollabeku emba maatinalli
>> > dvaitavaagi vikalpadinda kaaNuttiruvudannu ‘ekarUpavaagi’ brahma
>> tattvavAgi
>> > tilidu kola beku endu baayibittu heluttiddare Sri SSS adannu tiruchi
>> neevu
>> > nimmade arthavannu aa vakyagaLalli tumbuttiddira…I cannot help it but to
>> > stop this discussion with you.  Anyway final attempt from my side what
>> Sri
>> > SSS said in Kannada :
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >    1. ‘kArya-kAraNa bhAvavu ‘nijavaagi brahmave ( the ‘bhAva’ if
>> >    kArya-kAraNa in reality brahman only)
>> >    2. ‘avidyAdrushtiyinda namma munde enenu kaaNisuttiruvadO edellavu
>> >    brahmave’ ( those which you are cognizing in front of you as dvaita
>> in
>> >    reality it is brahman only)
>> >    3. ‘hindiruvudu brahmave, balakku, edakku, mele, keelage  ellavu
>> >    varishTavAda brahmave’ ( behind, front, right, left, top bottom all
>> these
>> >    are supreme brahman only (varishTa brahma)
>> >    4. ‘.  Brahmavallavendu naavu ariyuvudellavu haggadalliruva
>> >    haavinarivinante avidyeyindaada vikalpa maatrave’ ( that which we are
>> >    perceiving deciding as NOT brahman (abrahma vastu / anAtma vastu) is
>> due to
>> >    avidyA vikalpa like wrongly ‘seeing’ the snake in place of rope)
>> >    5. OLage deha, indriya, manassu muntaagi kANuva AdhyAtmika
>> >    vikalpavellavannu ‘paramAtma tattvave endu aritukoLLabeku, horage
>> >    kaaNuttiruva pruthivAdi vikalpagaLannu tattvavende kaNdukOllabeku (
>> those
>> >    which are residing inside and those which are existing outside
>> everything
>> >    needs to be understood ‘paramArtha tattva only)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Compare these with what you are interpreting as Sri SSS’s perspective.
>> > Please note I am not denying the meaning of vikalpa here but I am
>> quoting
>> > Sri SSS how he is telling us that those vikalpa-s should be understood
>> as
>> > ekatatva (tattva / varishTa brahma) and seeing the duality in it is like
>> > seeing the sarpa in rajju.  With this I rest my case.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> >
>> > bhaskar
>> >
>> >
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