[Advaita-l] Sleep and Dream of a Jivanmukta

[H S Chandramouli]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 9:03 PM Sundar Rajan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

<<  Not sure about the sushupti state >>,

Namaste.

An ajnAni, on waking up, sums up his experience  ** I did not know anything
**. This is attributed to avidyA.  Surely this would not be so  in the case
of a jnAni ?. Can this not be considered as a difference between their
respective experience of sushupti? I would understand so.

There may not be any difference in their experience of Ananda as it would
be difficult to quantify the same.
Regards

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 9:03 PM Sundar Rajan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
>
> Not sure about the sushupti state. There is Shankara Bhasya
> in Brihardaranyaka Upanishad 4.3.20 (for example) that indicates the Jnani
> may have the same knowledge in the dream state. This text talks about the
> case of a Ajnani and describes when Avidya is attenuated, that person's
> waking state impressions show up in dream state as well.
>
>
> Also, interesting to note the Bhasya considers the litmus test is
> *Sarvatmabhava*, in contrast to the popular commentary that  'doubtless
> knowledge' is itself sufficient!
>
>
> एवम् अत्यन्तप्रक्षीयमाणा अविद्या उद्भूता च विद्या सर्वात्मविषया यदा, तदा
> स्वप्नेऽपि तद्भावभावितः — अहमेवेदं सर्वोऽस्मीति मन्यते ;
>
> Then again, where ignorance decreases and knowledge increases, the text
> describes the content and nature of the knowledge - Even in a dream it is
> said that he is enthroned in the kingdom like a god and like a king (as it
> were).
>
>
> स यः सर्वात्मभावः, सोऽस्य आत्मनः परमो लोकः परम आत्मभावः स्वाभाविकः ।
>
> That, this *identity with all* (the universe) is his highest state, the
> Atman’s own natural, supreme state.
>
>
> यत्तु सर्वात्मभावादर्वाक् वालाग्रमात्रमपि अन्यत्वेन दृश्यते — नाहमस्मीति,
> तदवस्था अविद्या ;
>
> When, prior to this realization of *sarvatma bhava* (identity with all), he
> views the latter as other than himself even by a hair’s breadth, thinking,
> “This is not myself”, *that is still the state of avidya (ignorance).*
>
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 6:50 AM Anand N via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste,
> >
> > is the sleep and dream state of a Jivanmukta just like that of an Ajnani?
> > Does Shruti or Bhashya talk about this?
> >
> > Om Namo Narayanaya,
> > Anand
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