[Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 220, Issue 4

[sunil bhattacharjya]

I found a list of the Nimbarka sampradaya, long ago,  where Keshava
kash=miri was the 32nd guru. though it may not matter,  whether he was the
29th or the 32nd guru. Anyway it will be nice if you can tell me where can
I find the list you have seen.

Secondly to my knowledge, Shri Chaitanya did challenge Keshava Bharati, but
the debate did not happen as Chaitanya realized his mistake. Shri
Chaitanya  obviously realized that the Vedic sanskrit is pre-paninian
sanskrit and not exactly the same as the paninian sanskrit.

My 2 cents
skb


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>    3. Mayavadi Philosophy: Analysis and Refutation (V Subrahmanian)
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> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Caricature of Advaita, Shankaracharya,
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> Dear friends,
>
> Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was a disciple of Shri Keshava Kashmiri
> Bhattacharya, who was the 32nd  Mathadhipati of the Nimbaraka's  '
> *Dvaita-advaita*' *or* '*Bhedabheda*' Sampradaya.
>
> Shri Keshava Kashmiri Bhattacharya was a devout worshipper of Mother Sarada
> (or Mother Saraswati or  Bani or *Bharati*). The Gaudiya math generally
> mentions Shri Keshava Bharati ot Keshaba Bharati) as the guru of Shri
> Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
>
> My 2 cents
> Sunil KB
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> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 02:50:34 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Caricature of Advaita, Shankaracharya,
> etc. by the Gaudiya head
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, sunil bhattacharjya via Advaita-l wrote:
>
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was a disciple of Shri Keshava Kashmiri
> > Bhattacharya, who was the 32nd  Mathadhipati of the Nimbaraka's  '
> > *Dvaita-advaita*' *or* '*Bhedabheda*' Sampradaya
>
> I thought the story was Chaitanya as a young man defeated Keshava Kashmiri
> in debate at Navadwipa and the latter became his disciple?  In any case,
> this looks like another Gaudiya stretch of the truth.  For a start, in the
> Nimbarkas' own guru parampara list, he is number 29 not 32.
>
> Also there is a story in the Bhaktamal of Sant Nabhadas which was a
> hagiographical history in Brajbasha of the great saints of Northern India
> in medieval era that when Sikandar Lodi was Sultan of Delhi, he made a
> punitive tax on pilgrims to Mathura until Keshava Kashmiri frightened him
> with his Yogic powers into rescinding it.  Now Sikandar Lodis dates do
> overlap with Chaitanya therefore so would Keshava Kashmiris' which makes
> it possible that they met.
>
> However in the 20th century a document was discovered granting land in
> Mathura to the Nimbarkas, specifically Keshava Bhatta for delivering the
> land from the oppression of the (unnamed) Muslim ruler.  It is dated
> Samvat 1217 (which would be 1161 AD.)  Additional texts confirms the
> ownership by Shribhatta the 30th acharya Shribhatta wrote a kayya called
> Yugalashataka which he himself dates to Samvat 1351 (1296 AD.) Note both
> dates are well before Chaitanya.  So the author of Bhaktamal must have
> confused Sikandar Lodi (himself an oppressor of Hindus) with some earlier
> sultan.  Or to be fair, the Nimbarka dates could be unreliable. If
> Shribhatta was the disciple of Keshava, it is rather unlikely that he was
> still around 134 years after his guru. Assuming the deed is even genuine,
> either there would have to be two Keshava Kashmiris, two Shribhattas, or
> there would be no direct relationship between the two.  In any case, there
> dates would not match with Chaitanya.
>
>
> > Shri Keshava Kashmiri Bhattacharya was a devout worshipper of Mother
> Sarada
> > (or Mother Saraswati or  Bani or *Bharati*). The Gaudiya math generally
> > mentions Shri Keshava Bharati ot Keshaba Bharati) as the guru of Shri
> > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
> >
>
> Keshava Bhatta or Bhattacharya had the title Bharati as a mark of honor
> for  his extensive learning.  Similarly Shri Gambhiraraya and his son Shri
> Bhaskararaya were also known as Bharati for the same reason.  He was also
> called Kashmiri because he went to Kashmir and stayed there for several
> years defeating the Pandits (who were Shaivas.)  Swami Keshava Bharati who
> was Chaitanyas dikshaguru is totally separate.  He was a Dandi swami. (The
> Nimbarkas are Tridandis.)
>
> The Nimbarkas were well entrenched in Vraj, administering many of the
> tirthas there.  Also as you noted, their philosophy is very similar
> (though it is svabhavika bhedabheda not achintya bhedabheda)  These could
> be factors in cooperation between the two panths or perhaps rivalry.
>
> --
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:08:02 +0530
> Subject: [Advaita-l] Mayavadi Philosophy: Analysis and Refutation
> This is a lengthy document 'analyzing threadbare' the Advaita doctrine by a
> Gaudiya.  One can see how fallacious it is on several grounds.
>
> https://www.suhotraswami.net/library/Mayavadi_Philosophy.php
>
> regards
> subbu
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> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 16:36:45 +0530
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Mayavadi Philosophy: Analysis and
> Refutation
> Thank you Subrahmanian ji,
> It makes for an interesting read.
> Aravinda Rao
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:08 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > This is a lengthy document 'analyzing threadbare' the Advaita doctrine by
> > a Gaudiya.  One can see how fallacious it is on several grounds.
> >
> > https://www.suhotraswami.net/library/Mayavadi_Philosophy.php
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> > subbu
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