[Advaita-l] Binary nature of Jnana

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste Bhaskar ji

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022, 06:26 Bhaskar YR, <bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com> wrote:

>
> Ø    adhikArika jiva-s have complete tattvajnAna means they are brahman (
> tattva jnana = brahma jnana and those who have this jnana brahman) so what
> this tattva jnana would help them to realize is : edam brahma ekarasaM, eha
> brahmaNi nAnA nAsti kinchana ‘aNumAtramapi’.
>
Yes.

> If the tattvajnAna is such a strong realization that edam sarvaM brahma
> and there is no duality whatsoever (aNumAtramapi) how can they engage in
> vyavahAra which is obviously based on duality??
>
The general answer to these questions is to ask yourself how this works for
the jIvanmukta and the answer will be the same for these also.

However, to provide a specific answer  - Because even when engaging in
vyavahAra their conviction is that I am not doing anything - naiva kincit
karomIti yukto manyeta tattvavit - because nothing is happening in reality.

Yes, there is bAdhitAnuvrutti explanation is there for this seeming
> vyavahAra of jnAni-s BUT without the vyavahAra satyatva buddhi i.e. he is
> tattvajnAni, others are still in the realm of avidyA and ‘I’ as an
> individual tattvajnAni enlighten them as per the orders of Ishwara.  By the
> way as we know Ishwara is only in vyavahAra and his existence, upAdhi-s
> etc. are mere avidyAkrutaM ( brahman conditioned by name and form set up by
> ‘avidyA’ becomes Ishwara, says bhAshya) and how can a tattvajnAni
> attributes satyatvaM to the Ishwara tattva which is avidyAkruta  when he
> himself in ekaM eva adviteeya j tattva jnana ??
>
The svarUpa of Ishvara is the tattvajnAni himself. Such an Ishvara is real.
The jnAni can engage in a not real vyavahAra with his not real upAdhi-s
based on a not real instruction from a real Ishvara with not real upAdhi-s.

> obeying the orders of Ishwara, seeing the other jeeva-s as ajnAni-s,
> seeing himself as paramArtha jnAni, for teaching this jnana taking birth
> using prArabdha etc. does not prove satyatva buddhi in vyavahAra while
> staying in paramArtha??
>
No, please see above.

>
> Now, we don't admit that there is any bheda between and within
> jIva-jagat-Ishvara for the jIvanmukta, so why should there be such bheda
> for the AdhikArika jIva?
>
>
>
> Ø     Kindly see above, if there is absolutely no bheda whatsoever, being
> established themselves in tattvajnAna how can adhikArika special jeeva-s
> could still see some other ajnAni jiva-s and how can they still obey the
> orders of Ishwara when Ishwara tattva itself avidyAkruta…I am finding this
> difficult to do samanyava with Advaita paripUrNa jnana hence guessed these
> tattvajnAnis’ realization might be something similar to krama mukti where
> Ishwara-jeeva bheda still holds good.
>
How do you do samanvaya of this for the jIvanmukta? Is this any different
to that?

vyavahAra and paramArtha are not avasthA-s, states. paramArtha is right
> here, right now present - in the middle of all the vyavahAra. The
> jIvanmukta despite being the paramArtha, seemingly engages in vyavahAra. So
> does the AdhikArika jIva.
>
>
>
> Ø     adhikArika jiva and jeevanmukta-s seemingly engaging in activities,
> is interesting observation, please elucidate if your time permits.  Perhaps
> the above statement we have to understand with the bhAshya vAkya : vidvAn
> sa ehaiva brahma yadyapi dehavAn eva lakshyate, sa brahmaiva san
> brahmApyeti.
>
Yes. How do our AchAryas perform ChandramoulIshvara pUja-s being
jIvanmukta-s? Who is worshipping what with what? यत्र वा अस्य
सर्वमात्मैवाभूत्तत्केन कं जिघ्रेत्तत्केन कं पश्येत्?

Regards
Venkatraghavan