[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Yet another Mahavakya in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

[Vinodh]

Thank you very much for your detailed response, Sri Venkatraghvan ji. So it
is Shankaracharya himself who uses the word "mahavakya" with the meaning of
identity of jiva and Brahman in Vivekachudamani. 🙏

In your response to Sri Raghav ji, you say "My contention is that both
manana and nididhyAsana are puruShatantra only - in the sense that both
require puruSha prayatna.". Would you also agree that mahavakya shravana
also falls under the same category of manana and nididhyasana? Or do you
see it differently? If you do not see any difference, why do you attribute
aparoskha jnana only to mahavakya pramana with the other two being
supporting causes? If you do see it differently, how do you explain the
difference given that shravana also requires an action from the purusha
just like the other two do?

Namaskaram 🙏

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 1:52 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Read this sentence as: "So if one sentence conveys two meanings, it is not
> *one* vAkya, but two. "
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021, 09:18 Venkatraghavan S, <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Vinodh ji,
>>
>> Upon doing a search for the word mahAvAkya in advaitasharada, it appears
>> only once in the prasthAna traya bhAShya-s.
>>
>> In the devatAdhikaraNa of the brahmasUtra, in the sUtra भावं तु
>> बादरायणोऽस्ति हि ॥ ३३ ॥ (1.3.33), Shankaracharya raises a pUrvapaksha
>> wherein he uses the word mahAvAkya in the sentence - न हि
>> महावाक्येऽर्थप्रत्यायकेऽवान्तरवाक्यस्य पृथक्प्रत्यायकत्वमस्ति ;
>>
>> However here the word mahAvAkya does not mean jIva brahma aikya bodhaka
>> vAkya, it means a combination of words or sentences that serve to convey a
>> unitary import.  Jaimini in his pUrvamImAmsA sUtra has defined a vAkya as
>> अर्थैकत्वात् एकं वाक्यम् - that is, a vAkya is not merely a sentence - it
>> is a combination of words that together conveys one meaning. So if one
>> sentence conveys two meanings, it is not vAkya, but two. Conversely, if
>> there are many sentences that together convey the same meaning, then
>> together they are one vAkya - this is called vAkyaikavAkyatA.
>>
>> Here the context is the pUrvapakshi arguing that devatAs do not have the
>> right to brahmajnAna, because the portions that talk of them having
>> attained liberation occur in arthavAda portions which have ekavAkyatA with
>> a vidhi and the mahAvAkya (the compound vAkya consisting of the vidhi and
>> arthavAda taken as a unitary whole) has meaning only in the injunction.
>> Therefore, when the mahAvAkya is conveying one meaning (do the act), we
>> must ignore the arthavAda portions (avAntara vAkya) because a part of a
>> vAkya cannot be said to have a meaning when that part in conjunction with
>> the rest of the vAkya conveys a unitary meaning.
>>
>> That is by the by and not relevant to the topic.
>>
>> The only other reference by Shankaracharya that I could find is in the
>> Vivekachudamani - here the meaning of mahAvAkya is a vAkya that conveys the
>> meaning of the identity of jIva and Brahman.
>>
>> संलक्ष्य चिन्मात्रतया यदात्मनो -
>> रखण्डभावः परिचीयते बुधैः ।
>> एवं महावाक्यशतेन कथ्यते
>> ब्रह्मात्मनोरैक्यमखण्डभावः ॥ २५१ ॥
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021, 14:07 Vinodh, <vinodh.iitm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sri Venkatraghavan ji and other respected scholars, an additional
>>> question strikes me about "mahavakya" upon further reflection.
>>>
>>> Was this word "mahavakya" ever used by Shankara Bhagavadpada himself?
>>> What is the first known usage of this word?
>>>
>>> Namaskaram 🙏
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:13 PM 'Raghav Kumar' via advaitin <
>>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Namaste Venkatraghavan ji
>>>> I recollect many Acharyas mentioning tasmAdva etastmAt atmana
>>>> AkAshassambhUtaH etc as a mahavAkya since tasmAt and etAsmAt are in
>>>> samAnAdhikaraNyam. That part is quite clear. There are thus many mahAvAkyas
>>>> other than the four canonical ones.
>>>>
>>>> But one clarification on mananam etc  being action -
>>>>
>>>> However, by “meditation” here, I mean the mananam and nididhyasanam of
>>>> the statement (that is, a thorough analysis and reflection on the
>>>> statement) that reveals that jiva is Brahman until one attains firm
>>>> conviction of this Truth. Why is this required?
>>>>
>>>> This is also an action only.
>>>>
>>>> Mananam and nidhidhyAsanam (in the context of Advaita vedAnta) are of
>>>> the nature of vastu-tantra manovRttis - being pramANa-based and serve only
>>>> to highlight the Gyaanam itself. They are surely different from upAsana (be
>>>> it even nirguNa upAsana) which is puruSha-tantra.
>>>>
>>>> For example mithyAtva niscaya through the yukti using the prasiddha
>>>> hetu would be part of mananam. Does such mananam constitute karma/upAsana?
>>>> It would appear not. The yuktis used in mananam only give rise to "seeing
>>>> rightly" and removing false notions. All such pramANa vyApAra is not really
>>>> karma, don't you think? I do understand the commonality of the result being
>>>> pratibandhaka nivRtti for both karma/upAsanam and mananam/nidhidhyAsanam.
>>>> Yet I understand the latter to be not karma. Is that tenable?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Om
>>>> Raghav
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 5:27 pm, 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin
>>>> <advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is also worth noting that shravanadi are called "sadhana" merely out
>>>> of limitation of language and from the point of view of an ajnani. This is
>>>> because the Truth, which is eternally present, need not need be attained as
>>>> a siddhi after performing some action.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> praNAms Sri Vinod prabhuji
>>>>
>>>> Hare Krishna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, jnApakaM hi shAstraM na tu kArakaM, shAstra would teach us only
>>>> bhUta vastu ( that which is already exists) and it does not create anything
>>>> new.  shravaNAdi sAdhana is ofcourse for the ajnAni, who still see the
>>>> pramAtru, pramANa and prameya triputi rvyavahAra.  For him the direct means
>>>> is shravaNAdi sAdhana says bhAshyakAra : sAkshAdeva cha kAraNatvAt
>>>> shravaNamanananidhidhyAsanAnAm because shruti itself says AtmA vA Are
>>>> drashtavyaH shOtavyaH, maNtavyO nidhidhyAsitavyaH.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>>>
>>>> bhaskar
>>>>
>>>>
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