[Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'Dvaita accepts body-adhyasa'

[Vinodh]

Thank you for the explanation, Sri Kaushik. It certainly seems to be a
valuable teaching in dvaita vyavahara, where the 'tvam' is taken to be the
individual Jiva that identifies as Svetaketu and as different from other
individuals. This Jiva-Paramatma bheda is required for surrendering to the
Paramatma and letting go of one's ego which is a source of desires.

However, I still wonder how such a teaching of "That is the Atma, That you
are not." ties up with the initial part of the discussion. The discussion
starts with Svetaketu coming back from Gurukulam with a pride of knowing
everything, to which his father asks if he has ever heard the teaching by
which one hears what cannot be heard, by which one perceives what cannot be
perceived, by which one knows what cannot be known. His father later
expands on it by saying that this teaching is similar to how by knowing a
clod of clay all things made of clay are known, or how by knowing a gold
nugget all things made of gold are known, etc. I wonder how the dvaitins
could possibly justify that "That is Atma, That you are not" is such a type
of teaching.



On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:32 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste.
> The madhwas propose "atat tvam asi" because shvetaku was initially full of
> pride. To remove this pride his father tells him his not the supreme entity
> rather he is always under the control and mercy of it.
> This is the response given by them.
>
> Namo narayanaya
>
> On Tue, 19 Oct, 2021, 3:37 pm Vinodh via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Sri Subbu ji,
>>
>> I have briefly read about the interpretation of 'tattvamasi' as
>> 'atatvamasi' by Madhvacharya, although I wonder how he ties it up together
>> with the beginning of Svetaketu-Uddalaka discussion on knowing that by
>> which everything is known. An answer that "that is not you" seems very
>> anticlimactic to such a discussion after describing the creation of
>> everything from Sat. It is interesting to know that later Dvaitins have
>> also tried other interpretations of tattvamasi. Thank you for sharing.
>> 😊🙏
>>
>> Namaskaram
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:42 AM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:07 AM Vinodh <vinodh.iitm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Namskaram Sri Subbu ji and Sri Suresh ji, it interesting to know how
>> >> Dvaitavaadins differently interpret the same statements from the
>> sruti. It
>> >> is even more fascinating to know how even such a different
>> interpretation
>> >> can still be subsumed under Advaita. Thanks for sharing. 🙏
>> >>
>> >> This makes me very curious to know more such examples of how similar
>> >> sruti vaakyas have been differently interpreted and how a
>> reconciliation
>> >> can still be made under the Advaitic view. If there was already such a
>> >> compilation made in another discussion earlier, I would greatly
>> appreciate
>> >> if someone could point me to it.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Vinodh,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> While I am not aware of any scholarly compilation of such instances,
>> here
>> >> are some well known ones:  Madhva takes Tattvamasi as atattvamasi =
>> you are
>> >> not that.  His interpretation of aham brahma asmi is very
>> complicated.  Yet
>> >> later Dvaiitins have laboured to compose some twenty different
>> >> interpretations of tattvamasi (not atattvamasi), everyone of these
>> steering
>> >> clear of the advaitic interpretation. 😊  These are just two well known
>> >> examples of many others not so very well known.
>> >>
>> >
>> > regards
>> > subbu
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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