[Advaita-l] adhikAra - veda - vedAnta, a query

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Namaste vinodhji.
What you say is absolutely true.


On Fri, 1 Oct, 2021, 10:01 pm Vinodh via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaskaram,
>
> The sruti (Taittiriya Upanishad Sikshavalli) says the following regarding
> doubts about conduct:
>
> अथ यदि ते कर्मविचिकित्सा वा वृत्तविचिकित्सा वा स्यात् ।  ये तत्र ब्राह्मणाः
> संमर्शिनः । युक्ता आयुक्ताः । अलूक्षा धर्मकामाः स्युः । यथा ते तत्र
> वर्तेरन् । तथा तत्र वर्तेथाः ॥ ९ ॥
>
> atha yadi te karmavicikitsā vā vṛttavicikitsā vā syāt |  ye tatra brāhmaṇāḥ
> saṃmarśinaḥ | yuktā āyuktāḥ | alūkṣā dharmakāmāḥ syuḥ | yathā te tatra
> varteran | tathā tatra vartethāḥ || 9 ||
>
> 9.
> <
> https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-taittiriya-upanishad/d/doc79789.html#page-165
> >Now
> if to thee a doubt as to a deed, or a doubt as to conduct, should occur, as
> the brāhmaṇas there—who are thoughtful, zealous, well-versed, not hard (at
> heart), desirous of Dharma—would act in such matters, so there shalt thou
> act.
>
> Therefore, in this case, the advice of an Acharya is required and one must
> consult one’s Acharya in whichever one matam they subscribe to and act
> accordingly.
>
> To my understanding, the advice of the Kanchi Matam Acharya Sri
> Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi has always been to follow the smritis as much
> as possible according to one’s abilities for these have been prescibed by
> the great seers of the past in the best interests of this world. For the
> particular question posed in this thread, this matches with what Sri
> Kaushik has expressed below.
>
> Of course, since everyone cannot do everything according to the shaastras,
> the Kanchi Acharya and likewise the Sringeri Matam Acharyas out of
> compassion for the people have encouraged them to follow them as much as
> possible within one’s abilities by allowing relaxations. One’s aim must
> always be to strive to do their best to follow the rules as in shaastras
> and not to take the relaxations to be a new rule. One must do so with a
> sincere faith in these rules that they are meant for chit-shuddhi
> (purification of mind) of each individual according to each individual’s
> past karma (which determines one’s varna and other characteristics in this
> birth) while at the same time benefitting the universe at large. Only when
> there is chit-shuddhi will the light of the Atman shine through and
> liberate one from the misery of samsara (cycle of birth and death).
>
>
> On Fri 1. Oct 2021 at 20:51, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Yes. The question is how to appropriately interpret older rules to decide
> > adhikAritvam for reciting Vedas in today's global village context .
> >
> > For example, the literal "Quranic" type of interpretation of who is
> allowed
> > to recite the vedas will render vedic recitation as prohibited
> practically
> > for all those who are living outside the Indian subcontinent. This means
> > that all NRIs cannot recite the vedas since they have caught a flight
> over
> > the seas.
> >
> > Luckily such a nonsensical interpretation is not endorsed by Sringeri
> Math
> > which allows NRI dvijas the same treatment as other dvijas.
> >
> > Intelligent interpretation is mandatory to avoid wahabi type of
> literalism-
> > that does not mean 'reform', which implies a needlessly condescending
> > attitude towards the smritis.
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Oct, 2021, 7:31 pm Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l, <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Namaste sir.
> > > No its not allowed. Vedic recitation and inquiry into vedanta shouldn't
> > be
> > > done without the adhikara. This is one aspect common in all schools of
> > > vedanta.
> > > But narayana is atyant dayalu isn't he? That's why the gita which is
> > > essence of the upanishads,has been given to us. For this there isn't a
> > > restriction of adhikara.
> > > The recitation of lords name can be done by all. As its popularly
> stated,
> > > the merit attained through recitation of veda can be achieved through
> the
> > > rememberance of hari(sarva vedeshu yat punyam.....).
> > > The puranas also have no restriction.
> > > Vidyatirtha swamin has clearly stated that the shastras shouldn't be
> > > changed for our comfort or liking. And hence recitation or even hearing
> > of
> > > vedas shouldn't be done without adhikara.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 1 Oct, 2021, 2:45 pm Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > praNAms
> > > > Hare Krishna
> > > >
> > > > whenever I chant veda maNtra-s publicly using mic , whenever I hear
> > > > recordings of gAyatri maNtra and other veda sUkta / maNtra-s, public
> > > > discourses like geeta jnAna yagna,  vedAnta in loud speakers etc. I
> do
> > > have
> > > > a doubt that can it be made public without taking proper care of
> > > > adhikAra??  vedAnta is guhya vidyA should not be taught to
> anadhikAri-s
> > > > reiterates saMpradAya, bhAshyakAra says before taking up brahmavidyA
> > > > jignAsa sAdhana chatushtaya is must,  lord too says in geeta idam te
> > > > nAtapaskAya, nA bhaktAya kadAchana, should not be taught to the one
> who
> > > is
> > > > not serving his guru etc. because this vidyA is paramaM guhyaM.  But
> > what
> > > > we are seeing today??  all veda-vedAnta geeta available to all openly
> > > > irrespective of adhikAra.   we are making it proudly  public.  Is
> this
> > > > relaxation allowed in the current situation (kAladharma) ??  Just
> > curious
> > > > to know the traditional clarification with regard to this.
> > > >
> > > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > > > bhaskar
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