[Advaita-l] Perception in lightning

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Siddhant Bindu also mentions it --

श्रोत्रमपि चक्षुर्वत् गत्वा शब्दग्राहकम्

On Sun, 9 May 2021, 16:32 V Subrahmanian, <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 3:44 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> नमस्ते
>> इन्द्रियाणि  पञ्च घ्राणरसनचक्षुःश्रोत्रत्वगात्मकानि । सर्वाणि
>> चेन्द्रियाणि स्वस्वविषयसंयुक्तान्येव प्रत्यक्षज्ञानं जनयन्ति । तत्र
>> घ्राणरसनत्वगिन्द्रियाणि स्वस्थानस्थितान्येव गन्धरसस्पर्शोपलम्भान् जनयन्ति ।
>> चक्षुःश्रोत्रे तु स्वत एव विषयदेशं गत्वा स्वस्वविषयं गृह्णीतः,
>> श्रोत्रस्यापि चक्षुरादिवत् परिच्छिन्नतया भेर्यादिदेशगमनसम्भवात् । अत
>> एवानुभवो "भेरीशब्दो मया श्रुतः" इति । वीचितरङ्गादिन्यायेन
>> कर्णशष्कुलीप्रदेशेऽनन्तशब्दोत्पत्तिकल्पनायां गौरवम् । "भेरीशब्दो मया
>> श्रुतः" इति प्रत्यक्षस्य भ्रमत्वकल्पनायां गौरवं च स्यात् । तदेवं व्याख्यातं
>> प्रत्यक्षम् ।
>>
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> Thanks for the correct view.
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>> (वेदान्त परिभाषा)
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>> On Sun, 9 May 2021, 15:11 V Subrahmanian, <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 1:10 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hari Om,
>>>>
>>>> In case of visual and audible perception, mind is said to go out along
>>>> with
>>>> chakshu and shrota indriya and make contact with vishaya and turn
>>>> vishayAkAra. Reflection of chaitanya then gives rise to visual and
>>>> audible
>>>> perception.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I know, the situation in Advaita is: the shrotrendriya does
>>> not go out but the sound reaches the indriya by a veechi-taranga-nyaya: The
>>> sound, at the locus of its origin, produces waves and through the waves it
>>> reaches the organ/indriya of the hearer.  In the case of chakshuh, as you
>>> have stated, the indriya goes out through the manovritti and contacts the
>>> object/form/color outside.  I am not aware if any other view is there in
>>> Advaita for explaining the sound perception.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> subbu
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In case of lightning, if the mind reaches there simultaneously with
>>>> shrotra
>>>> and chakshu, the perception of light and sound should be simultaneous.
>>>> But
>>>> this is not the case.
>>>>
>>>> If the mind does not reach there simultaneously, then the conclusion
>>>> would
>>>> be attribution of different speeds to mind+chakshu vis-a-vis
>>>> mind+shrotra.
>>>>
>>>> How to understand it in the traditional framework.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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