[Advaita-l] Ekadashi

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Namate, the discussion is going in all directions.
So here are the statements I have said.

1.Unflinching devotion to isvara leads to krama mukthi. And devotion unto
him by namasmarana isn't a mere "chitta sudhi" as stated by our acharyas,
both present and past.

2. Even grihasthis can attain jnana. This statement again is made by our
acharya. And hence its a final verdict. So if takes the upadesha he will
Attain gnana. If he doesn't it means he doesn't desire liberation or at
least isn't hundred percent dedicated to it. So why will he gnana?


My initial post was a form of praise of Lord on ekadashi and it has bought
out various topics.
This will be my last reply.

Om namo narayanaya.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 16:53 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a special topic in kanchi periyava deivatin kural 6th volume
> as"uchakata gnanam turavikae"...Janaka though was managing the kingdom got
> gnana upadesam from rishis ..How many grihastas in this age got maha vakya
> upadesam from a Sannyasi acharya
>
> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 4:48 PM Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can u tell some of grihasta jeevan muktha gnanis   from kali yugam...
>>
>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 2:41 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is an expert from discourse of mahasanidham.
>>>
>>> D: Does Your Holiness opine that householders cannot get jñāna and
>>> attain mokṣa?
>>> HH: No. They too can attain jñāna and mokṣa. However, their path is
>>> tougher. An unmarried mumukṣu (one keen on mokṣa), especially
>>> one who is a saṁnyāsin, can remain away from causes of mental
>>> distraction and lead a life directed wholly to the attainment of mokṣa.
>>> Householders, however, have to live with familial responsibilities
>>> and deal with situations that are unfavourable. Nevertheless, it is
>>> incorrect to contend that they cannot secure jñāna. Janaka and
>>> such other householders were jñānins.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 14:11 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why aadi shankara took avatar as a Sannyasi..
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 2:06 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Namaste.
>>>>> Grihasthi ashrama isn't something that restricts gnana. As long as the
>>>>> householder has a vairagi bhava and lives in accordance to dharma he is
>>>>> eligible for moksha.
>>>>> And unflinching devotion is what I meant when I said "surrender to
>>>>> isvara".
>>>>> So when a person has unflinching devotion to the Lord and is engaged
>>>>> in isvara nama smarana he is saved.
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 14:00 Aravind M, <aravindeie13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In that march 2021 issue,maha sannidanam mentioned "nama leads to
>>>>>> attaining paramatma"..But he never mentioned that we will attain that in
>>>>>> this birth itself staying in grihasta ashrama,doing all lowkkeega stuffs
>>>>>> and also chant name in the name of pseudo-bhakthi as many nama sankirtan
>>>>>> vidwans are doing...only a Sannyasi who got the maha vakya upadesam is the
>>>>>> authority for gnana
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed 21 Jul, 2021, 12:40 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And this is the statement of bagavtpada in the last stanza of "bhaja
>>>>>>> govindam"-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *bhajagovindaM bhajagovindaM govindaM bhajamuuDhamate .
>>>>>>> naamasmaraNaadanyamupaayaM nahi pashyaamo bhavataraNe .. (33) *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Worship Govinda, worship Govinda, worship Govinda, Oh fool ! Other
>>>>>>> than chanting the Lord's names, there is no other way to cross the life's
>>>>>>> ocean.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the works of "narayaneeyam" and "gudartha dipika" by advaita
>>>>>>> acharyas specify the importance of bhakthi. It's not a mere form of "chitta
>>>>>>> sudhi".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 11:52 Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>>>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Namaste sir.
>>>>>>>> Its true that the attainment of gnana alone leads to liberation.
>>>>>>>> But the aspect of devotion is nowhere given less importance. This has been
>>>>>>>> stated many times by shri abhinava tirtha swamin in his discourses. In now
>>>>>>>> way can knowledge be attained without the grace and of guru and isvara.
>>>>>>>> And for people who completely surrender to isvara, the aspect of
>>>>>>>> "krama mukthi" is accepted. So, there is no rule that it has to come after
>>>>>>>> many births.
>>>>>>>> Regarding the power of nama smarana, here is a link to the
>>>>>>>> discourses of jagadguru - "
>>>>>>>> http://www.tattvaloka.com/jagadguru-speaks". The discourse in
>>>>>>>> March 2021 under " Chant the names of Lord and attain highest good" the
>>>>>>>> power of nama smarana is given. There is also a discourse in telugu given
>>>>>>>> by him in 2013 regarding the greatness of smarana- "
>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/LqLkkwWm1cY".
>>>>>>>> From jagadgurus discourses it's evident the power of nama smarana
>>>>>>>> and bakthi shouldn't be compared to other rituals. Bakthi indeed is
>>>>>>>> superior to them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I have no way indicated inferiority of other gods. It was
>>>>>>>> ekadashi, a special day to narayana and vaishnavas. And hence I had a few
>>>>>>>> thoughts about the immeasurable daya and splendor of narayana and shared it
>>>>>>>> in the group. And other than a praise of him and a rememberance of him, it
>>>>>>>> had no other intention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Om namo narayana.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021, 10:24 Venkatesh Murthy, <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Namaste
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our Sampradaya has laid down Panchayatana Puja to worship Ganesha,
>>>>>>>>> Shiva. Vishnu, Shakti and Surya. There is a reason for this. We should not
>>>>>>>>> become fanatics of one God and quarrel with devotees of other Gods. It will
>>>>>>>>> be a big obstacle for us if we become fanatics. Every God is a form of
>>>>>>>>> Saguna Brahma. No God is inferior and nobody is superior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 5:44 AM Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l <
>>>>>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Namaste subbu sir.
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021, 23:18 V Subrahmanian, <
>>>>>>>>>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Dear Kaushik,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > You have beautifully articulated the position of the Shastra
>>>>>>>>>> and our
>>>>>>>>>> > sampradaya.  Your post, though short, is full of wisdom.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for
>>>>>>>>>> > sharing your thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > warm regards
>>>>>>>>>> > subbu
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:14 PM Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> The differences between the school of advaita and dvaita are
>>>>>>>>>> many. But the
>>>>>>>>>> >> CHATNTING of harinama and sublime devotion to vishnu is the
>>>>>>>>>> common and
>>>>>>>>>> >> most
>>>>>>>>>> >> important aspect in both the school. In the age of kali, it is
>>>>>>>>>> said that
>>>>>>>>>> >> no
>>>>>>>>>> >> penance, austerity, charity etc has the same fruit as the
>>>>>>>>>> rememberance of
>>>>>>>>>> >> hari nama. The last verse in "bhaja govindam"says "There is no
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> >> measure to escape samsara other than rememberance of hari
>>>>>>>>>> nama". It's said
>>>>>>>>>> >> that narayana finds some excuse to lift people from samsara.
>>>>>>>>>> Such is his
>>>>>>>>>> >> daya ,he is the uplifter of sinners,he is "patita pavana". He
>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> >> protects his devotees. People who hated hari, such as kamsa,
>>>>>>>>>> sisupala etc,
>>>>>>>>>> >> too were given mukti because they constantly thought about
>>>>>>>>>> him. He is an
>>>>>>>>>> >> ocean of daya and forgiveness. Being sarvasaktha isvara he
>>>>>>>>>> underwent
>>>>>>>>>> >> samsara as rama, to show us how to live a life according to
>>>>>>>>>> dharma. He
>>>>>>>>>> >> gave
>>>>>>>>>> >> the essence of Upanishads in the form of krishna to save the
>>>>>>>>>> people of
>>>>>>>>>> >> kali.  Today being ekadashi, this day belongs to narayana.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a few thoughts I had on this auspicious day.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Om namo narayanaya.
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Venkatesh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>