[Advaita-l] Jaati in Advaita

[Kuntimaddi Sadananda]

Babu - PraNAms and thanks for your input. 

What you wrote is true. Some daarshanikas call the firstperception as indeterminate - I see something but I do not know what it is.Mother or teacher tells - beta that is a cow. If I see next time another cowwith different colors, and mother says that is also cow, now memory developsand Nyaa Visheshikas call that as jaati. 

There also been studies that show the mind stores language on oneside of the brain and figures on the other side - naama one side and ruupa onthe other. Hence when I see a person (ruupa) I cognize him but naama has tocome from different parts of the brain. Hence sometimes we do not remember thename that easily.

It also has been pointed out the Chinese and Japanese language ispictorial and both naama and ruupa are stored on the same side. Hence cognitionand recognition occur faster for them (apparently). 

Since the mind works fast, we think that cognition and recognitionoccur at the same time. I do not think Advaita differentiates the two. 

Upama is considered as separate pramaana by Advaita.

Hay! it looks like a cow but does not seem to be a cow!

That in a way proves that cognition is different fromrecognition. 
Epistemology was developed after Shankara - And Vivvarana andBhamati schools differ to some extent may not be about pratyaksha pramaana buton aparoxa jnaanam; and both of them follow Bhatta Mimamsa's position to someextent on pratyaksha pramaana. 
For some reason after I post it I see the words gots joined in the final output. 
Hari Om!

Sadananda


    On Wednesday, 27 May, 2020, 09:16:15 am IST, Dev Babu via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:  
 
 Harih Om Everybody
Actually, upon analysing the English Words more carefully:

  1. Cognition is the initial (first time) perception of any object /
  person by Mind through senses - First instance of learning - could be any
  subject or person etc.
  2. ReCognition is the Repeated-Cognition - i.e. when you perceive the
  same object or person by senses for the second or nth time, - the trigger
  of previous knowledge from memory - so it should be now more
  instantaneous.  This when it fails, we say, Oh I forgot.  We do not need to
  congnize this again, but to resurface it from memory.

Harih Om
Babu
S

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:13 AM Dev Babu <devbab at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hairh Om
> PranAms Sadananda ji
> With my limited vocabularies,
>  I still see
> Cognition as a mental perception - chitta vritti  from internal source
> called memory
> Recognition also as a mental perception - chitta vritti from external
> source of senses (seeing, touching, hearing, smelling and tasting)
>
> Harih Om
> Babu
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:03 AM Kuntimaddi Sadananda via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> PraNAms to all.
>>
>> I am still working on Perception. Encountered somequestions in my mind.
>>
>> 1. Cognition vs recognition. Cognition is direct andimmediate while
>> recognition is not and depends on the memory.
>>
>> I see a person; I feel I know that person but I cannotrecognize him since
>> my memory fails. Hence perception is direct and immediatebut recognition is
>> not.
>>
>> Normally these two take place immediately, particularlyfor objects that
>> are very familiar or frequent perception and recognition ofthose objects.
>> Memory is active.
>>
>> I see it is a snake – since the object attributes arecommon with the
>> snake that I have seen before (memory) – here cognition and recognitionboth
>> are taking place.
>>
>> When perception is immediate – are we referring to the cognitionpart and
>> not necessarily to the recognition part.
>>
>> 2. Does Advaita admit jaati in some form? In the explanationof -sat eva
>> Soumya idam agra aseet, ekam, eva adviteeyam .. I thought Shankaraexplains
>> the ekam eva adviteeyam implies sajaati, vijaati, sagata bheda rahitam,If I
>> remember correctly.
>>
>> In a way, Jaati (universal) is being used in explain one withouta second.
>>
>> I heard later that Jaati is not accepted other pure existenceas universal
>> at paaramaarthika level.
>>
>> If I say ‘cow’ – do I remember a generic ‘cow’ without anyparticulars –
>> does that imply a jaati?
>>
>> In essence what exactly is the Advaita position in relation tojaati at an
>> empirical level – is cow-ness differs from horse-ness, etc.
>>
>> Hari Om!
>>
>> Sadananda
>>
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