[Advaita-l] SATCHIDANANDENDRA WORKS-Orthodoxy?

[H S Chandramouli]

Pranams Sri Sadananda Ji and Sri Subrahmanian Ji,

Somehow I got the feeling that in the views presented by both of you, the
Svaprakashatva aspect of Brahman/Atman is missing. Brahman "reveals"
Itself in the mind.

Regards

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On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:01 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Dear Sada ji,  You are correct.  Here is an old post of mind which would be
> interesting to you, if you had not already seen it:
>
> Recently I was listening to the well-known Vishishtadvaitin scholar and
> exponent
> Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami's discourses on the TiruppAvai. He mentioned
> something that was very new and interesting to me:
>
> In the srivaishnava (vishishtadvaita) tradition there are two streams:
> propounded by Vedanta Desika and Pillai LokAcharya. While the former
> advocates
> sharaNAgati the latter disagrees with him that that is not the upAya but
> the
> Lord Himself is the upAya to be sought for mokSha. These two streams have
> gained very distinct positions in the srivaishnava tradition that they go
> by the
> names 'vaDakalai' and 'tengalai' respectively and a considerable amount of
> animosity too prevails between the two groups, expressing itself in
> somewhat
> awkward ways even to this day.
>
> The Swami presented the two 'schools' and appealed to the srivaishnavas in
> general to give up animosity. He sought to reconcile the two this way: For
> both
> these AchAryas, Ramanuja is the Master. They owe their highest loyalty to
> him.
> While Vedanta Desika advocated sharaNAgati as upAya he was basing it on the
> Vedanta ['yo brahmANam vidadhAt pUrvam....mumukShurvai sharaNam aham
> prapadye' of the Upanishad]. Pillai LokAchArya while denouncing the
> sharaNAgati
> as upAya argued that the Lord is Compassion personified and it is owing to
> His compassion that there can be moksha. 'sharaNAgati' would be a business
> approach for one will think: I have
> done sharaNAgati and therefore I must get moksha'. But the Lord's chief
> guNa of
> 'compassion' does not get a place in such a situation. Therefore, one
> should
> seek the Lord Himself and will get liberated out of His compassion. The
> reconciliation is this way: Both the Acharyas are only highlighting one
> aspect
> while they know for sure that the other aspect is also not to be lost sight
> of.
> Unless asked for one cannot get moksha. And unless 'granted' one cannot get
> mokSha. Thus both sharaNAgati and the Lord's compassion have their
> respective
> roles in an aspirant getting moksha.
>
> I remembered a parallel situation in Advaita. Dr. Mani Dravid SastriNaH, a
> top-ranking scholar of Advaita, once presented a paper where an aspect of
> the BhAmati and the
> VivaraNa schools were reconciled:
>
> While one holds that the moksha-giving knowledge is generated through the
> operation of the mind, the other holds that it is brought about by the
> mahAvAkya. Now, it might appear that these are two exclusive positions. The
> reconciliation lies in recognizing that it is impossible to the mind to
> generate
> the vRtti unless it is trained by the mahavakya-anusandhAnam. The mahAvAkya
> by
> itself, too, can't give knowledge unless it passes through the cultivated
> mind.
> Thus both the positions have the requirement of the other too and when this
> is
> kept in mind there will be no real difference between the two schools, in
> this
> aspect.
>
> This Advaitic scholar has worked out similar reconciliations of a few more
> aspects of these
> two streams.
>
> Regards,
> subrahmanian.v
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 8:26 AM Kuntimaddi Sadananda via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Subbuji - PraNAms
> > The following statements got my attention:
> > Bhamati : 2. The mind is the instrument for realization.
> >
> > Vivarana: 2. The mahavakya itself generates realization.
> > I am not sure if there is any conflict between the two statements.
> > 'mana eva manushyaanaam kaaranam bandha moksha yoH'
> > Mahavakya vichara has to be done with the mind only -Hence there is
> vRitti
> > vyaapti.
> > There is no phala vyaapti - since it is aparoxam.
> > The confusion is in the mind and realization also has to happen in the
> > mind only - Mind activated by chidaabhaasa has the notion that 'I am =
> > this' which is also ahankaara.
> > With mahaavakya vichaara using the mind, it has to recognize the pure
> > consciousness that I am, is not the mind but that which enlivens this
> mind
> > as well as all other minds too.
> > In addition,  even the Prakriti that includes the mind is only mithyaa,
> > and 'I am' is substantive for the mind and the world too.  This
> > understanding happens in a clear analysis (viveka) of the mahavakyas, by
> > the mind.
> > Not sure, How Sri Madhusudana discusses this.
> > Shree Venkatraghavanji can shed light on this.
> > Hari Om!
> > Sadananda
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 08:08:56 AM GMT+5:30, Kuntimaddi Sadananda
> > via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Subbuji - PraNAms
> > Thanks for the post.
> > I like some concepts of Bhamati and some concepts of vivarana schools.
> > Need to think about it.
> > Hari Om!Sadananda
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 04:37:19 PM GMT+5:30, V Subrahmanian via
> > Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Copied from an old post of Sri Ravisankar Mayavaram:
> >
> > 1. Brief summary of
> > differences:http://ambaa.org/pdf/bhamati-vivarana-differences-brief.pdf
> >
> > 2. Points of Difference Between Bhamati and Vivarana,  Based on the
> Bhumika
> > of Polagam Sri Rama Sastri, as explained by Dr. Mani Dravid Sastrigal
> and
> > translated by S.N.Sastri.
> >
> >  http://ambaa.org/pdf/bhamati-vivarana-diff_mds_sns.pdf
> >
> >  http://ambaa.org/pdf/bhamati_vivarana_diff_mds_sns_formatted.pdf
> >
> >
> > I received these documents a while ago from Late Sri Sundararaman mama, I
> > might have shared these with Advaita-L before.  Formatted version has no
> > new content, I did  that for my ease of reading.
> >
> >
> > Ravi
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 3:57 PM Kuntimaddi Sadananda via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Bhaskarji - PraNAms
> > > Thanks, will be waiting for a more detailed explanation. Particularly
> how
> > > the explanations differ between the two schools.
> > > Hari Om!Sadananda
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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