[Advaita-l] GURU Principle

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Traditionally all Advaita gurus had peers whom they respected and were not
in a single man show kind of set-up with their disciples. There were
occasions of pariShad-vyApAra or advaita-conferences where different
Advaita gurus would discuss, share and maybe even spar on some ideas of the
Advaita teaching.

The cultish feel of modern-day gurus is wholly different from the earlier
idea of Advaita gurus being part of a community of other gurus, rather than
islands by themselves with the disciples in an echo chamber where they were
unable/afraid to critically analyse things.

Om
Raghav

On Thu, 17 Oct, 2019, 1:59 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula, <
raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes Andrew Cohen is a classic example of the pitfall of pre-mature
> guru-dom.
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> http://americanguru.net/
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> It's far cry from the vedAntic idea of
> shrotriya and brahma-niShTha alone being well-equipped to be a guru in the
> complete sense.
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> As for the rest, we can always take a few constructive tidbits of
> witticisms and nice words from even half-baked gurus. But no question of
> "surrendering" one's 'tan-man-dhan' to such wannabe gurus.
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> But the unfortunate thing is that many followers will be in denial about
> their gurus' misdemeanours even when confronted with facts. They will
> continue to believe in alternative facts. It requires enormous divine grace
> to discover Advaita and the impersonal teaching tradition or paramparA
> where the nondual knowledge that arises is independent of the personality
> of the guru.
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> On Thu, 17 Oct, 2019, 3:43 AM KAMESWARARAO MULA via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>> Surprised to see his biography and his mother's book, her opinion on him,
>> hard to believe & looks true.
>> kameswara
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>>     On Wednesday, 16 October 2019 7:11:04 pm IST, Murali k <
>> methusala8 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>  Namaste,
>> It is interesting that Andrew Cohen is talking about the evolution of
>> Guru Principle while his own mother has written a book on how her son is a
>> "unrecognizable tyrant".
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cohen_(spiritual_teacher)
>> Regards,Murali
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>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 02:18, KAMESWARARAO MULA via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>> Dear Members,                          Today's Speaking Tree article is
>> on the Evolution of the Guru Principle by Andrew Cohen and I was very
>> impressed with the way our westerner friend put this article by taking the
>> essence of various guru's of this karmic land. He starts the write up by
>> saying that in India Guru is God. It may be a complex phenomena to
>> understand and believe , how ever in my master's words Guru exists in
>> between the thoughts. He can read the subtle thoughts/intuitions of our
>> minds. The formless Guru (Niranjana-Nrvikara-Nirguna-Parabrahmma Swarupa)
>> is always self-less and works towards the welfare of his disciples and help
>> them in crossing the ocean of samsara.
>> The person who wants to become Guru or Master must transform himself
>> radically , mysteriously & powerfully sublimated to immortal conciouness of
>> Brahmman. This awakened, self-less conciouness can be expressed as the
>> 'Guru Principle'.
>> As his conclusion was excellent in that article which goes:  Considering
>> the 'Guru' perfect in all aspects will confuse the transcendental reality.
>> Here I have to say one example, The world Transcendental movement leader
>> i.e MMG (Maharshi Maheshyogi Guru) after establishing several
>> transcendental universities across the globe and by training several
>> westerners in that movement at the age of 90 finally declared that "JAI
>> GURU DEV" (Kasi Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati) and concludes his
>> life journey by saying that whatever he achieved in his life is all from
>> the grace of his Guru only, left the physical body at Vlodrop.
>> The initial spiritual impulse is inherently pure without existence of any
>> self, unattained by the worldly affairs comes from the 'Guru Mandala' as
>> its source in Unique Brahmman which is single. A true Master who is deep
>> rooted in this source can able to transmit  the powerful kundalini to his
>> students to awaken him.The Transmitter can not be proclaimed as 'Guru' and
>> after that the Students responsibility to keep that impulse pure for ever
>> and transmit further & further as the saga goes on this karmic land and
>> remains the most valuable phenomena of the Guru Principle.
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>> Na Guroradhikam tattvam Na Guroradhikam tapah |
>> tattva Jnaanaat Param naasti tasmai Shri Gurave namah ||
>> Neither is there any Reality Beyond the Guru, Nor is there any Austerity
>> Higher than the Guru,There is no Knowledge of Truth beyond what comes From
>> the Guru, Salutations to that Guru who makes his disciple awakened for ever.
>> Sri Guru Padaravindarpana MastuKameswara
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