[Advaita-l] Jnana and Ajnana - a beautiful dialogue

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Sure, i agree, its a kind of samsAra back again through the back door...
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> On Sun, 10 Nov, 2019, 3:50 PM Venkatraghavan S, <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Raghav ji
>>
>>
>>>  So there is no respite. A kind of eternal vigilance
>>> has to be maintained as the price of liberty.
>>>
>>
>> That doesn't sound like freedom to me! :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>> On Sat, 9 Nov, 2019, 7:28 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > PeriyavAL: Know that there are Guttu Shlokas in Bharatam (Mahabharata)?
>>> >
>>> > Myself: These are Guttu Shlokas because they were composed to reduce
>>> the
>>> > speed of PiLLaiyar's (Ganesha's) writing.
>>> >
>>> > PeriyavAL: There is a Guttu Shloka in Gita! You know?
>>> >
>>> > Myself: Don't know.
>>> >
>>> > PeriyavAL: '*aj~nAnenanAvR^itaM j~nAnaM tena muhyanti jantavaH |
>>> j~nAnena
>>> > tu tadaj~nAnaM yeSAM nAshitamAtmanaH ||*' (5.15,16)
>>> >
>>> > "Atma who is *jnAnarUpam* (in the form of knowledge) is veiled with
>>> > *ajnAnaM* (ignorance). People are deluded because of that. If the
>>> > *ajnAnaM* is
>>> > destroyed by *jnAnaM*, Moksha will be attained."
>>> >
>>> > Isn't this doctrine puzzling, confusing? How can *ajnAnaM* veil
>>> *jnAnaM*?
>>> > If it is veiled, how by that same *jnAnaM* will *ajnAnaM* be
>>> destroyed? --
>>> > is the confusion. Vinayaka blinks. In those few seconds Vyasa has
>>> readily
>>> > composed the *shloka*s of many chapters.
>>> >
>>> > For this puzzle that comes in the fifth chapter, he gives the answer
>>> in the
>>> > tenth chapter!
>>> >
>>> > teshAmanukampArtham ahamaj~nAnajaM tamaH |
>>> > nAshayAmi AtmabhAvastaH j~nAnadIpena bhasvatA ||
>>> >
>>> > To show mercy on the *bhaktA*s who always sing and think only about me
>>> and
>>> > melt by those acts in their hearts, I as the *jnAna rUpi* (form of
>>> > knowledge) enter the state of mind that remains *akhaNdAkAram* (not
>>> > fragmentary, entire, whole) and is known as *AtmabhAvam* (state of the
>>> > soul), reach the *prati-bimbam* (reflection), strengthen the *jnAnam*
>>> and
>>> > set aside (the veil) of ignorance.
>>> >
>>> > (In other words, *svarUpa jnAnam* by itself will not set aside
>>> ignorance.
>>> > It only notifies its presence. But if the same *svarUpa jnAnam* is
>>> > reflected by the *mano vRutti* (mode/nature/state of mind) that results
>>> > from continued experience of the state of meditation on the Vedanta
>>> Maha
>>> > Vakhyas after studying and reflecting on them, that will immediately
>>> burn
>>> > the ignorance. Even if the sun has the *svabhAva* (inherent nature) to
>>> burn
>>> > cotton, it burns the cotton only when the rays touch it through a
>>> special
>>> > lens!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read more:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://periva.proboards.com/thread/2491/kanchi-paramacharya-satsangam-shashtrartha-02#ixzz64gsvLt00
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