[Advaita-l] MOKSHA or MUKTI

[Venkatraghavan S]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

"By the way according to some even if you quote ramaNa with regard to jnAni
and his attitude to prove that jnAni was / is / will ever be ashareeri  &
jnana only and jnAni’s sashareeratvaM  is in the sight of ajnAni only there
is no jnAni’s BMI and action from the jnAni’s point of view,  it is
‘asaMpradAyik’ declaration and not a pramANa in the form of ‘Apta vAkya’."

I think the argument between the two camps is because of a misunderstanding
of the meaning of the words "is" and "no" in the above sentence.

Does the existence denoted by the verb "is", pAramArthika sat? Does the
negation referred to by "no", a pAramArthika niShedha, or a vyAvahArika
niShedha? As I see it, if both sides see what is meant, there is no room
for argument at all.

The right meaning of the sentence "there is only jnAna", is as an
akhaNDArtha vAkya, and thus "is" and "jnAna" refer to the svArUpa mAtra of
That, and not to the samsarga between "jnAna" and "is". So the meaning of
the sentence is just like satyam jnAnam anantam of taittiriya.

When it is said "there is no jnAna's BMI and action", is the negation a
pAramArthika negation? If it is pAramArthika, then the the negation is
nothing but the svarUpa of the jnAni alone. If it is a vyAvahArika
negation, then both the negation and the pratiyogi are nothing but mithyA.
So in either case, not sure there is any need for argument between the so
called sAmpradAyika and asAmpradAyika advaitin.

"But the question is do we really have to have the wave-less, wrinkle-less,
bubble-less absolute flat unmoving water to prove that ocean is water and
nothing but water !!??
I really doubt.  If that is the case we may have to wait till mahA pralaya
to witness absolute motionless brahman or kArya-kAraNAteeta kevala
parabrahman."

I agree. Any exhortation to do nothing but remain in samAdhi all the time
is born out of a misunderstanding - for samAdhi is as much vyavahAra, as
any other laukika activity.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019, 10:55 Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org wrote:

> praNAms Sri Srinivas Murthy prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> A very big clarion call to the advaitins who advocate jnAni’s rAga dvesha
> in the form of avidyA lesha and prArabdha even after samyak jnana.
> However, there is action by indriya-s by jnAni even after samyak jnana.
> And it will definitely happen (avashyaM bhAvani) insists bhAshyakAra.  And
> note this sentence is not there just to pacify the ajnAni-s who still ‘see’
> the jnAni’s body and questioning / doubting his action.  It is indeed the
> state of jnAni during the post jnana period while living in his own set of
> upAdhi-s.  Hence there is example of dig bhrAnti etc. and apUrva vidhi in
> the form of vijnAya prajnAm kurveeta etc.  These things will not make any
> sense if the jnAni does not have his own set of indriya-s and he is mere
> jnana and not jnAni.  So is the argument that sampradaya vAdins put forth.
> Sublated individuality continues in the parichinnatva of the jnAni’s upAdhi
> like a wave realizing it is nothing but water but within the boundaries of
> its own ‘waveness’.  By the way according to some even if you quote ramaNa
> with regard to jnAni and his attitude to prove that jnAni was / is / will
> ever be ashareeri  & jnana only and jnAni’s sashareeratvaM  is in the sight
> of ajnAni only there is no jnAni’s BMI and action from the jnAni’s point of
> view,  it is ‘asaMpradAyik’ declaration and not a pramANa in the form of
> ‘Apta vAkya’.  So, beware when you are quoting ramaNa to prove jnana in
> place of jnAni 😊 But the question is do we really have to have the
> wave-less, wrinkle-less, bubble-less absolute flat unmoving water to prove
> that ocean is water and nothing but water !!??  I really doubt.  If that is
> the case we may have to wait till mahA pralaya to witness absolute
> motionless brahman or kArya-kAraNAteeta kevala parabrahman.  Earlier we
> have had enough debate on this with all bitterness.  So, let us live with
> that and wait for big waves (apAntaratama-s / vyAsa) to guide small and
> negligible small waves like us to realize that we are all water (sarvataH
> saMplutOdakaM) only not waves 😊
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>
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