[Advaita-l] Sandhyadhikaranam in the three schools

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

Not only in Swapna but also in Jagrat Avasthaa we can find Jeeva Srushti
and Ishwara Srushti. The Mountains, rivers, seas and so on are Ishwara
Srushti. Buildings, roads, dams, machines like cars and bikes and so on are
Jeeva Srushti. They are man made. To the Visistadviati we can now ask. Why
Man has created all this like big factories giving unpleasant results like
Pollution and health risks? How can anybody create something to give
unpleasant results for the Creator himself? Answer will be Out of
Ignorance. Same thing happens in dream also. Why are you objecting only for
Dreams?

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 1:37 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:20 PM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 10:06 PM, V Subrahmanian <
> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>>>
> >> ​<< ​
> >> The above is not denying the siddhanta that 'the jiva is the creator of
> >> dream.'  It only says that the jiva does not create the chariot, etc.
> >> 'actually'.  Why is he saying so? It is because, as stated immediately
> >> after the above sentence  निमित्तत्वं तु अस्य
> >> रथादिप्रतिभाननिमित्तमोदत्रासादिदर्शनात्तन्निमित्तभूतयोः सुकृतदुष्कृतयोः
> >> कर्तृत्वेनेति वक्तव्यम् ।    the jiva is the creator of the dream
> >> objects/events 'through' his sukruta and dushkruta'.  The meaning is:
> The
> >> present dream   where the jiva is experiencing  joy or sorrow, is the
> >> effect of his prior karma that is either sukruta or dushkruta.  That way
> >> the jiva is the creator of the dream.
> >> ​>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Indeed a pleasant surprise. For a change, our respective understandings
> > seem to converge
> > ​,​
> > ​
> > at least
> > ​
> > in respect of content, though not in
> > ​respect of
> > ​
> > the headings.  That would not have mattered, but for
> > ​the ​
> > possibility
> > ​​
> > of misunderstandings thereby. That it is indeed so is borne out by the
> > context of this discussion itself, which is the objection raised  by  Sri
> > Ananthapadmanabhachariar. My opinion is that he has gone by the title
> > “creation by jIva” and not the content of the Bhashya in raising the
> > objection. The content invalidates his objection.
> >
>
> The Advaitic stand that 'the dream creator is the jiva' is the
> understanding of both the other schools is clear. I had shared long ago a
> video of Sri Haridasa Bhatta Acharya (Dvaita) on this topic where he
> clearly says 'Advaitins hold that it is the jiva that creates the dream'
> based on the Brihadaranyaka  'na tatra rathaah..'  whereas for us it is
> Ishwara who creates.'  As I had pointed out earlier in this thread, the VA
> objection is based on partial understanding of the Advaitic position: 1.
> That the jiva is the dream-creator (this is correct) 2. What is actually
> meant by that by the Advaitin is not correctly grasped by the opponent.
> That was revealed by 'would anyone knowingly court anishTa for himself?'.
> This point, as I showed, is already considered by Shankara.  So, it is not
> a saankalpiki srishti of dream by jiva but naimittiki srishti.  The role of
> Ishwara is common for all, everything in creation.
>
> In fact, one can take the understanding to another dimension:
>
> न कर्तृत्वं न कर्माणि लोकस्य सृजति प्रभुः ।
> न कर्मफलसंयोगं स्वभावस्तु प्रवर्तते ॥ १४ ॥ BG 4.14
>  भाष्यम्
> <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/
> Gita?page=5&id=BG_C05_V14_B01&hlBhashya=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%
> E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%
> A4%E0%A5%81#bhashya-BG_C05_V14>
>
> न कर्तृत्वं स्वतः कुरु इति नापि कर्माणि रथघटप्रासादादीनि ईप्सिततमानि लोकस्य
> सृजति उत्पादयति प्रभुः आत्मा । नापि रथादि कृतवतः तत्फलेन संयोगं न
> कर्मफलसंयोगम् । यदि किञ्चिदपि स्वतः न करोति न कारयति च देही, *कः तर्हि
> कुर्वन् कारयंश्च प्रवर्तते इति, उच्यते — स्वभावस्तु स्वो भावः स्वभावः
> अविद्यालक्षणा प्रकृतिः माया *प्रवर्तते ‘दैवी हि’ (भ. गी. ७ । १४)
> <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/
> Gita?page=7&id=BG_C07_V14&hl=%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%B5%E0%
> A5%80%20%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BF>
>  इत्यादिना वक्ष्यमाणा ॥ १४ ॥
> regards
> subbu
>
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > ​
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Regards

-Venkatesh